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Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:15 am
Posted by BrotherDawg84
Member since Dec 2020
3103 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:15 am
What are your opinions on your new head coaches and what are your expectations for the upcoming season?
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21170 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:18 am to
I'm excited about Harsin, but cautiously so. Things were stale with Gus and we needed a change. Gus hit his ceiling in his first year, IMO and refused to adapt and improve.

I have no idea how Harsin will do, but that's better than knowing what was going to happen next year with Gus at the helm.

I like what he's had to say far. Looking forward to seeing how things change in the spring.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 11:20 am
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30803 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:20 am to
Meh and more meh
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21170 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:22 am to
At least be happy we don't have to watch this shite on the sideline every week...
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17247 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:45 am to
Cautiously optimistic.

I’ve said all along, Harsin is a high risk/high reward hire. Despite what the usual suspects here say, there weren’t any obvious choices available out there. I think we went hard for Cristobal and got turned down, and Napier wanted more than we were willing to spend to give up a shot at his dream job in Red Stick. Harsin gives us the best bang for the buck. At the very least, he breaks the long-standing “good ol boy” types we’ve hired pretty much since before I was born.

That said, I don’t expect much from us this fall. 6-6 is a distinct possibility, although I like to think that’s our floor. 8-4 is probably our ceiling.

I think 2022 will begin to show whether or not Harsin was a good hire.
Posted by OrangeEmpire
Parts Unknown
Member since Feb 2020
6179 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:46 am to
I think Tennessee will morph into Texas Tech and will field historically bad defenses for the next 6-7 years.
Posted by TeddyWestside
Georgia
Member since Jul 2017
2872 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:50 am to
What offense will Auburn be running this year? Obviously things will change from Malzahn in terms of more detailed scheming, but in terms of general offensive identity, will Auburn be sticking with the run-based spread or will they be switching to a more traditional pro-style offense with some more under center formations?

Also, is Bobo running the offense totally, or will it be Harsin's offense with Bobo just calling plays? To be honest, I don't know if I have ever watched Boise State while Harsin was there, so I'm not sure how their offense worked?
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
10354 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:53 am to
I'm hopeful he might create a ground work for a true program. I feel like we've been smoke and mirrors since Tubs left and even a bit before he left. I agree that we are 6-6 to 8-4 team this year.
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40948 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 11:56 am to
Believe Heupel will be very bad but maybe he will field some exciting/explosive offenses during his disastrous reign.
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21170 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

What offense will Auburn be running this year? Obviously things will change from Malzahn in terms of more detailed scheming, but in terms of general offensive identity, will Auburn be sticking with the run-based spread or will they be switching to a more traditional pro-style offense with some more under center formations?

Harsin has run multiple formations. I think the offense will vary by situation.
quote:

Also, is Bobo running the offense totally,

That's the word. I think the offense will be a part of the total program, but I don't think Harsin is a paranoid control freak that will be calling plays.
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
78992 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 12:24 pm to
I don't know if Harsin will be successful, but I think if he is it'll be the old fashioned way of program building and convincing recruits and HS coaches that something is being built you'll want to be part of. Hate cliches, but a very blue collar approach. Will require patience of fans, which isn't really something big programs endure in 2021 CFB.

I certainly don't think this is a situation like Georgia where Auburn is positioned to immediately take some really big step because we've been sitting on some untapped potential as a big school in a big state etc. (let it be noted I'm passing on the chance to attribute Kirby's recruiting success to anything else...)

Auburn isn't UGA or Bama and I don't think being a second rate version of the Saban/Kirby shows will work particularly well. I do think Harsin's goal is a process-centered program akin to Saban in his early days, but Bama was a self-fulfilling hype machine and we won't have that. So it'll have to resemble a more grassroots "process", if you will, that will likely involve more modest initial gains than we saw with Gus. I'm hopeful it'll also involve taking 3/4 star players and really elevating some of those guys, although we won't be able to compete long term without pushing UGA/UA for elite talent.

Edit to add:

The above is kind of a "in a vacuum" thing, and ignores the very real possibility that even if I'm right about Harsin's goals, and even if he and his staff execute the vision to perfection, external circumstances may not really let Auburn thrive.

I'm not looking for excuses, but the reality is that CFB is big business and recruiting is high profile and high stakes. So I think it's possible that some 1980s "come work hard, prove people wrong, excel and make a career for yourself" approach just won't work in Tik Tok announcement and recruiting-by-helicopter 2021, even if it is a very meritorious approach on paper.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 12:29 pm
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9055 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

will field historically bad defenses for the next 6-7 years.



I hate to break it to you, but weve been doing that already

2020: 70th in NCAA
2018: 77th
2017: 83rd
2016: 70th
2013: 79th
2012: 109th



Posted by boston vol
Lexington-Fayette, KY
Member since Sep 2015
5549 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:02 pm to
Heupel put together a better defensive staff than I originally though he would. For the upcoming season probably between 5-6 wins. Long term I have major concerns about recruiting. And that doesn’t even take into account the looming sanctions. He’s probably here a minimum of five years.
Posted by OrangeEmpire
Parts Unknown
Member since Feb 2020
6179 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:03 pm to
It'll be far worse than those numbers.

Posted by BigOrangeLoyalist
Warner Robins, GA
Member since Aug 2016
2413 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:16 pm to
I guess I’m a sunshine pumper, but I think Heupel will succeed. Years 1 and 2 will be rough though. Probably a 5-7/6-6 type year, followed by a 7-5 year, but then we start playing competitive football with the big boys. He seems to do and say the right things, seems very knowledgeable of the game, and the staff is very cohesive. Defense will still give up a lot of points due to the nature of the offense, but if we can gel on the offensive side of the ball, it will be very Kiffin-esque.

Edit after: Was never sold on Butch, Proot, or Dooley; I have a different feeling about Heupel.
This post was edited on 3/16/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted by BrotherDawg84
Member since Dec 2020
3103 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

Edit after: Was never sold on Butch, Proot, or Dooley; I have a different feeling about Heupel.



I didn't have any expectations on Dooley. I thought the name might make him a decent recruiter and he's obviously a bright guy, just not an effective HC. I thought Jones would be a good, hard-nosed and scrappy HC. He had moments but was mostly smoke and mirrors. Pruitt was way over his head as HC. Good DC when he was handed lots of talent. Heupel is obviously a bright offensive mind and proven HC in the arena he's been in. Remains to be seen if he's SEC material or not. He's gonna have some tough sledding for the next couple of season, at least. Vols D is gonna give up a lot of points but he's creative on O.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42540 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:53 pm to
6-8 wins. I like that Harsin is doing normal football things like recruiting actual OLmen.
Posted by ATLtiger12
Atlanta
Member since Dec 2013
675 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

Auburn isn't UGA or Bama and I don't think being a second rate version of the Saban/Kirby shows will work particularly well. I do think Harsin's goal is a process-centered program akin to Saban in his early days, but Bama was a self-fulfilling hype machine and we won't have that. So it'll have to resemble a more grassroots "process", if you will, that will likely involve more modest initial gains than we saw with Gus. I'm hopeful it'll also involve taking 3/4 star players and really elevating some of those guys, although we won't be able to compete long term without pushing UGA/UA for elite talent.


There is a lot of truth in this. It is pretty clear early on that Harsin is pushing the process narrative. His mottos are 1-0 every day, win the day, and get better every day. He is working hard to make the weight room and workouts seem like an important, exciting part of the overall process by pimping out Auburn social media with daily workout videos and awarding an iron man of the week every week to the top performers in the weight room. These are small steps that could lead to an overall culture change and creating a blue collar program that plans to out work everybody and compete with anybody.

The good news for Auburn currently is they are still within the blue chip ratio. The team primarily consists of 4 star players and technically has the talent to compete for a championship. The problem for Auburn is that there are 9 teams in front of them on the blue chip ratio rankings in 2020 and we play 3 of them every year. In order to take that next step towards the CFP and start to recruit with the elite teams you are going to have to beat some of these teams with more talent. Clemson was able to overcome this hurdle because the ACC is a historically much weaker conference. They just had to take down an FSU team on the downfall and coast to a conference championship every year. Once they proved themselves to be an elite contender the recruiting fell in place with it.

Auburn is going to need a year when all the pieces fall into place, and then build momentum off of that. I'm personally optimistic about the coming years. We've got an experienced former 5 star QB with 2 good QB coaches on staff now, a stud RB, and a lot of pieces returning on defense. I know it's not easy to bring in a whole new staff, implement new systems on both side of the ball, and turn things around quickly, but I do feel like we need some big wins to start to build the momentum in the right direction. I think that talent is there though, and that maybe the team just needed a reset, a new offense that wasn't completely stale, and a kick in the butt in terms of workouts and motivation and the pieces could come together quicker than expected. I like the mentality that Harsin is installing in Auburn, but there is no doubt he is fighting an uphill battle.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
Nashville, TN
Member since Aug 2012
9055 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 2:44 pm to
quote:

Vols D is gonna give up a lot of points but he's creative on O.



Ive lived through the Dooley years and ive lived through the Butch/post-Butch era. I can say losing always sucks, but losing 38-35 is far more entertaining than losing 38-7.

As for my expectations, I have none. I don't see us rising from this mire anytime soon. Hopefully I'm wrong
Posted by Angry Bruce Pearl
Florida
Member since Jul 2020
599 posts
Posted on 3/16/21 at 2:50 pm to
I don't know if Harsin is still going to be the coach in 6, 8, or 10 years but at least he's doing things that real coaches do like recruiting offensive linemen. Gus would whiff on two guys and then shrug his shoulders and head for the JUCO circuit or grad transfer market. You just can't do that after year three or four let alone six or seven years into your tenure.
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