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Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:01 am
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:01 am
Hogs fill me in. You aren’t a blue blood but there is that tiny part of me in the back of my head that sees Arkansas as a big time college basketball program but then I remember they haven’t really done anything since 1994. I don’t know why your program seems cool. Bud Walton is very nice. Court looks great. Good team this year. Disregarding the hints of sour grapes here, why hasn’t Arkansas been a consistent top 10? We have an elite team this year, but with the hogs being woeful on the gridiron I feel like they should be a basketball school like Kentucky but I don’t think the results are there. WPS. You whooped our arse
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:06 am to Streelman
Arkansas has a great basketball fan base. From about 88-98 The Hogs were a Top 5ish program. And had some great years during the Eddie Sutton era prior. They just made trash hires post Nolan that sank the program for a while.
Nolan was great but should have been able to sustain a winning program for another decade. His ego got the best of him. Hell he beat Coach K 27 years ago in the natty. And Coach K is still doing it
Nolan was great but should have been able to sustain a winning program for another decade. His ego got the best of him. Hell he beat Coach K 27 years ago in the natty. And Coach K is still doing it
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:10 am to Streelman
Melt
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:13 am to Streelman
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:19 am to Streelman
Arkansas had a great run from the Eddie Sutton days in the late 70's all the way through Nolan in the mid to late 1990's.
Since then, its been one bad hire after the other. After Nolan was fired and sued the school, Frank Broyles lost a lot of power.
Stan Heath - the rumor has always been that Illinois coach Bill Self wanted the job, but refused to interview in front of a committee, which is what Arkansas was requiring. It didn't hurt Heath's chances that he was black and Arkansas was currently beign sued for racial discrimination.
John Pelphrey - Broyles had already announced his retirement, with no replacement named yet. So, you're already behind the 8 ball because candidates won't know who their boss will be. Broyles actually makes a good hire in Dana Altman, who is introduced in a press conference, then returns to Creighton a day later. The rumor has been that he saw what a mess the roster was off the court, academically and character wise. Anyway, Broyles was famously called back from the Masters in Augusta to try and salvage the situatian. A search firm is hired and Pelphrey gets the job. It was a terrible hire that set the program back for a while.
Mike Anderson - the return to respectability. A former assistant under Richardson. Had success at UAB and Mizzou. Was never bad at Arkansas, but didn't have the success that he should have. He laid a solid foundation for Muss and healed a lot of old wounds.
Muss - we will see. Seems to be a very good coach, but early in tenure.
Since then, its been one bad hire after the other. After Nolan was fired and sued the school, Frank Broyles lost a lot of power.
Stan Heath - the rumor has always been that Illinois coach Bill Self wanted the job, but refused to interview in front of a committee, which is what Arkansas was requiring. It didn't hurt Heath's chances that he was black and Arkansas was currently beign sued for racial discrimination.
John Pelphrey - Broyles had already announced his retirement, with no replacement named yet. So, you're already behind the 8 ball because candidates won't know who their boss will be. Broyles actually makes a good hire in Dana Altman, who is introduced in a press conference, then returns to Creighton a day later. The rumor has been that he saw what a mess the roster was off the court, academically and character wise. Anyway, Broyles was famously called back from the Masters in Augusta to try and salvage the situatian. A search firm is hired and Pelphrey gets the job. It was a terrible hire that set the program back for a while.
Mike Anderson - the return to respectability. A former assistant under Richardson. Had success at UAB and Mizzou. Was never bad at Arkansas, but didn't have the success that he should have. He laid a solid foundation for Muss and healed a lot of old wounds.
Muss - we will see. Seems to be a very good coach, but early in tenure.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:28 am to Streelman
I’ll bite. Technically 95 not 94....we also played for the Natty versus UCLA in 1995...A UCLA team that had ineligible players. (Obannon) Anyway, We aren’t Blue Blood but the Hogs are very close to that status. We are tied at 10th in the nation for FInal Four appearances. (6) Hogs have 32 NCAA appearances(top 16) , The Hogs have a top 16 winning % all time out of over 300 NCAA schools. There has been sustained success....The 6 Final Fours were from 4 different coaches in 3 different eras. Also, Those Nolan teams were feared and dripping with swagger...If you are old enough to have watched Nolan and 40 MOH in its prime, It probably left an imprint on your brain from the unbelievable greatness that was being displayed. I’m not old enough to remember Eddie Sutton (He took the Hogs to the 78’ Final Four)...He was obviously another Hog HOF coach like Nolan .....Anyway, people FEARED the basketball Hogs under Nolan... UNLV was the only other team of that era with that much swagger. (Late 80’s to mid 90’s.)
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Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:33 am to Streelman
Gets teeth kicked the frick in
“You don’t even have a good history though.”
“You don’t even have a good history though.”
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:35 am to Don Johnson
Hard to argue with any of this. Arkansas has been to 29 NCAA tournaments, 6 final fours with one championship. When we came to the SEC we were KY on basketball rival. Nolan was so good but pride and the racial chip on his shoulder created a war with Frank Broyles. Broyles really screwed the pooch and let the dissension fester.
After we won the natty we signed the number 1 recruiting class and NCAA came knocking. They didn't find anything even after deeming two top players ineligible. One was given a complete year back and actually played 6 years in college because the NCAA screwed him and AR so bad. The run was over and top 10 program steadily fell with horrible coaching decisions.
We have the tradition, we have the fans, we have the best on campus arena in the south, we have and unbelievable practice facility, and I think we finally have a coach to return to prominence. We'll see.
After we won the natty we signed the number 1 recruiting class and NCAA came knocking. They didn't find anything even after deeming two top players ineligible. One was given a complete year back and actually played 6 years in college because the NCAA screwed him and AR so bad. The run was over and top 10 program steadily fell with horrible coaching decisions.
We have the tradition, we have the fans, we have the best on campus arena in the south, we have and unbelievable practice facility, and I think we finally have a coach to return to prominence. We'll see.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:38 am to hawgsalot
Yep...and the NCAA actually apologized and gave Sunday Adebayo a semester of eligiblity! But it was too late. The NCAA witch hunt destroyed our momentum and we lost that #1 class.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:38 am to Don Johnson
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Arkansas had a great run from the Eddie Sutton days in the late 70's all the way through Nolan in the mid to late 1990's.
We had some good runs before then as well. Arkansas has almost always been fairly good at basketball. For whatever reason while the state doesn't produce a metric ton of football players Arkansas tends to produce a solid crop of basketball players.
As you pointed out, coaching makes a big difference and we really whiffed on our coaching hires for long while.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:39 am to Streelman
Arkansas was dominate with Nolan as coach until the hand check rule got implemented. If you want to say something killed Arkansas basketball, it was that.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:41 am to Streelman
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why hasn’t Arkansas been a consistent top 10?
They haven't had good coaches since Nolan - Heath and Pelphrey sucked and Anderson was "ok".
They have one now, though.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:46 am to Don Johnson
I'm pretty sure there was a NCAA investigation that dragged on for a year or 3 with tons of smoke, that ended with a whimper. Cost us some recruits and whatnot during Nolan's tenure.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:47 am to Don Johnson
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Arkansas had a great run from the Eddie Sutton days in the late 70's all the way through Nolan in the mid to late 1990's.
Since then, its been one bad hire after the other. After Nolan was fired and sued the school, Frank Broyles lost a lot of power.
Nolan Richardson was a breed apart. It made his basketball teams go. Never understood why Broyles couldn't cut the guy more slack? Really hard to believe Broyles liked him.
Richardson was mostly unhappy that Broyles didn't offer him a raise and contract extension after all he accomplished. His comment about not just coming off that ship seems rather weak by today's standards. Particularly because Broyles not paying up was the reason for the season. Always felt like arky couldn't handle the truth.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:48 am to Streelman
Interpretation. "We lost. I'm pissed, Instead of manning up and taking it I'll give a shady back handed burn"
You're the type that shakes hands with a limp wrist.
You're the type that shakes hands with a limp wrist.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:49 am to Don Johnson
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Mike Anderson didn't have the success that he should have
Man, those Nolan Richardson "40 Minutes of Hell" teams back in the day were some of my all-time favorites.
I never could figure out why Anderson couldn't get it done. I was sort of rooting for him, but you're right, it just never materialized.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:49 am to troyt37
I’m still ticked at the way the NCAA treated Adebayo. That was a such a crappy situation.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:51 am to Streelman
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but then I remember they haven’t really done anything since 1994. I don’t know why your program seems cool.
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Disregarding the hints of sour grapes here, why hasn’t Arkansas been a consistent top 10?
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:52 am to Hogwarts
Anderson's teams have been remarkably consistent everywhere he's ever been
Average KenPom Rank
UAB - #57
Missouri - #37
Arkansas - #61
St John's - #69
Overall Avg - #55
2009 and 2010 his Missouri teams were ranked #6 and #22. Outside of that his Missouri average was #53.
He teams win 19-21 games and are on the bubble basically every season over 20 years.
Average KenPom Rank
UAB - #57
Missouri - #37
Arkansas - #61
St John's - #69
Overall Avg - #55
2009 and 2010 his Missouri teams were ranked #6 and #22. Outside of that his Missouri average was #53.
He teams win 19-21 games and are on the bubble basically every season over 20 years.
Posted on 2/25/21 at 8:54 am to swinetime
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Interpretation. "We lost. I'm pissed, Instead of manning up and taking it I'll give a shady back handed burn"
You're the type that shakes hands with a limp wrist.
Do you want to run the post-presser of Musselman handling the BAMA defeat this season? If that wasn't the most petulant presser put on by a basketball head coach it was damn close. He did everything but go stand in the corner and hold his breath.
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