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re: Are we going to insist that any expansion stay in the South?
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:43 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:43 am to UFownstSECsince1950
I have one guideline for a southern football conference
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:44 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:45 am to UFownstSECsince1950
OU is stymied somewhat by us in the SEC. They'd be a great addition from the conference but a negative to our recruiting. And they are another tough out added to a brutal schedule. If they were able to sell SEC that'd hurt Texas as well as Texas A&M. I'd rather they just stay where they are.
Kind of how Arkansas felt about us joining.
There are logistical problems for them (oSu) and I don't see us wanting BOTH Oklahoma schools.
I think adding OU is better for them than for us.
Similar to the A&M deal, adding one team from a more populated state with bigger TV markets is better for the SEC.
Not to mention academic reasons.
UNC and UVA (if those are the additions) are home runs, better than OU. You get academics, population/markets.
Kind of how Arkansas felt about us joining.
There are logistical problems for them (oSu) and I don't see us wanting BOTH Oklahoma schools.
I think adding OU is better for them than for us.
Similar to the A&M deal, adding one team from a more populated state with bigger TV markets is better for the SEC.
Not to mention academic reasons.
UNC and UVA (if those are the additions) are home runs, better than OU. You get academics, population/markets.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:46 am to TeLeFaWx
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TV footprint shouldn't be the primary determining factor.
You're right. And not to be a jerk, but people who bring up tv markets during a college football conference discussion are clueless.
TV footprint should have no bearing whatsoever. You look at Missouri with the St. Louis and KC markets and you get excited, until you realize that Missouri football takes a backseat to the Chiefs, Rams, and Cardinals (but they probably beat the Royals, haha).
It is ALWAYS about the alumni base and fan base. Conventional TV market wisdom says St. Louis > Montgomery or Birmingham or Gainesville. In this case, conventional wisdom is a blonde Miss Teen USA contestant from South Carolina.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:47 am to Lordofwrath88
at trading Mizzou for OU. Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:47 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:49 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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You're right. And not to be a jerk, but people who bring up tv markets during a college football conference discussion are clueless.
Says the guy from a state with no TV markets that anyone desires.
You are right about fan bases. UNC brings that as well as the population of all of NC.
VT or UVA brings fans and all of Virginia.
It's important.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:50 am to Cajun Ag
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:50 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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TV footprint should have no bearing whatsoever.
But it does or Mizzou wouldn't be in the SEC.
Part of the whole point of a conference at this point is collective bargaining for football contracts. The more TVs you have in your footprint, the more your conference is worth and the more money you get.
This post was edited on 11/22/12 at 9:52 am
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:51 am to Cajun Ag
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Says the guy from a state with no TV markets that anyone desires.
I think the Chicago market is pretty desirable, but I could be wrong.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:52 am to cardboardboxer
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quote: UVA brings fans and all of Virginia. You're backing up his clueless claim
Kind of like A&M doesn't bring fans from all over Texas. We are seeing how that works.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:52 am to JDM1992
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The SEC is going to focus on improving the conference
I think you are right, if by "improve the conference" you mean getting two programs in new states for the SEC Network.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:53 am to Cajun Ag
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:53 am to cardboardboxer
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But it does or Mizzou wouldn't be in the SEC.
I didn't say it doesn't. I said it shouldn't. It obviously was a factor in bringing in Mizzou, which I feel was a huge mistake.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:55 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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I didn't say it doesn't. I said it shouldn't. It obviously was a factor in bringing in Mizzou, which I feel was a huge mistake.
Will you still feel its a mistake when expansion changes the SEC's relationship with ESPN enough that instead of $17 million a year SEC programs are making $40+ million a year?
Posted on 11/22/12 at 9:57 am to cardboardboxer
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Will you still feel its a mistake when expansion changes the SEC's relationship with ESPN enough that instead of $17 million a year SEC programs are making $40+ million a year?
Are you going to try to tell me that wouldn't have happened without Mizzou?
Texas A&M was a great add. Mizzou wasn't. Bottom line.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:02 am to FleshEatingSalsa
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Are you going to try to tell me that wouldn't have happened without Mizzou?
Well no. The state of Missouri has 6 million people in it. Some programs like those based in Virginia (8 mil) or North Carolina (9.6 mil) would have been better.
With that said I assume you would have preferred choices that would have been worse than Mizzou, like OU (3.6 mil), West Virginia (1.8 mil), Clemson (already covered area so 0 mil) or FSU (already covered area).
Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:03 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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What's wrong with Oklahoma?
Oklahoma can not survive without recruiting players from the state of Texas. Their strength is dervied from playing Texas (and winning consistently)and Texas schools, and the Dallas exposure and recruiting that comes with it. If Oklahoma will not leave the conference without Texas coming with them. Does the SEC want both? Also, okielite and Oklahoma are joined at the hip. Their state legislature will not let those two schools go their own way. For the reasons above, I cant see how the SEC would want them. Oklahoma has a great history....but too much baggage.
Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:05 am to VonDaMan
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Posted on 11/22/12 at 10:08 am to JDM1992
Are you kidding me? OU has played Texas and stolen boys out of the state of Texas since 1900.
frick OU.
frick OU.
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