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AP/Coaches 1st Teams vs KenPom All-SEC team

Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:23 pm
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:23 pm
AP 1st Team
Bryce Brown - Auburn
Daryl Macon - Arkansas
Yante Maten - Georgia
Collin Sexton - Alabama
Grant Williams - Tennessee

Coaches 1st Team
Jaylen Barford - Arkansas
Chris Chiozza - Florida
Yante Maten - Georgia
Kevin Knox - Kentucky
Kassius Robertson - Missouri
Chris Silva - South Carolina
Grant Williams - Tennessee
Tyler Davis - Texas A&M

KenPom 1st Team (analytics based)
Yante Maten - Georgia
Grant Williams - Tennessee
Collin Sexton - Alabama
Chris Silva - South Carolina
Tyler Davis - Texas A&M


AP POY - Yante Maten, UGA

Coaches POY - Grant Williams, Tennessee

KenPom POY - Yante Maten, UGA
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 10:24 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:24 pm to
AP 1st Team is lulzable
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:26 pm to
Obviously the AP wasn't going to put four bigs on a five-man team so the KenPom one is kinda weird
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:27 pm to
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Obviously the AP wasn't going to put four bigs on a five-man team so the KenPom one is kinda weird


He calls it "all-kenpom" but I think it's really just his Top 5 rated players w/o considering positions.

2017 it was Thornwell, Fox, Monk, Frazier, Bam......lot of guards on that one haha.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 10:28 pm
Posted by Uncle Gunnysack
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:32 pm to
do bama fans really think collin sexton is that good? id much rather have tremont waters on my team
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:33 pm to
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do bama fans really think collin sexton is that good?


Yea, me and the NBA scouts think he is pretty good at basketball
Posted by AUsteriskPride
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

do bama fans really think collin sexton is that good?


He's a definite one and done, so yes, I'm sure they do. Sometimes a coach just doesn't know how to make it click with that piece.
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

do bama fans really think collin sexton is that good? id much rather have tremont waters on my team
I'd probably take Waters for two over Sexton for one but, yes, Sexton is pretty good
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:36 pm to
8 man team is better than a 5 man team
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:38 pm to
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I'd probably take Waters for two over Sexton for one but, yes, Sexton is pretty good


Yea I'd definitely agree with that.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:39 pm to
KenPom hates Auburn too I guess
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13454 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:40 pm to
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2017 it was Thornwell, Fox, Monk, Frazier, Bam......lot of guards on that one haha.
That's exactly the Top 5 in win shares from last year

Top 10 in WS last year was

Thornwell
Monk
Bam
Fox
Frazier
Allen
Saiz
Robinson
Kornet
Maten

Whereas Top 10 in WS this season looks way different

Maten
Roberson
Macon
Q
Harper
Davis
Chiozza
Robertson
Barnett
Silva

That list would've triggered some folks
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:42 pm to
The way LSU, Washington, NC State, and Alabama have played lately definitely call into question whether the one-done-model is a good idea if you're not Kentucky or Duke

Most non blue bloods are better off just stockpiling four-year players
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:42 pm to
Personally I think both Ken Pom and Sexton are slightly overrated. That’s not to say Sexton won’t do big things at the next level.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:45 pm to
quote:

The way LSU, Washington, NC State, and Alabama have played lately definitely call into question whether the one-done-model is a good idea if you're not Kentucky or Duke Most non blue bloods are better off just stockpiling four-year players


Yea - I agree. But, the flip side is, sometimes the 4-star solid player you start recruiting turns into a Top 10 1-and-done kid, which is exactly what happened with us and Sexton.

But I do agree, unless you time it perfectly or have a set up that is conducive to it (about 5 places do), it's not the ideal scenario.
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:46 pm to
Sexton hasnt reached his ceiling yet, but he's still one of best players in the country.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

Personally I think both Ken Pom and Sexton are slightly overrated. That’s not to say Sexton won’t do big things at the next level.


Playing on a team with no shooters in which defenses can pack the lane and make it difficult for him to get inside really hurts him. When he's allowed to play a more 1-on-1 game in space, like he will at the next level, he'll thrive.

And, even with all that, he's had an extremely solid year - even under difficult circumstances. The kid plays balls to wall hard every second he's in the game. Love watching him.
Posted by Bamainva40
Member since Nov 2017
1677 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:48 pm to
Yep he will never cheat u on effort. Kid worked his arse off to go from unranked in high school his junior yr to where he is now .
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:50 pm to
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KenPom hates Auburn too I guess


Guess so, but I don't care. AU is the highest seeded team in the conference tournament and NCAA tournament (as projected), and will finish in the top-20. AU baseball is undefeated (13-0), football finished top-10 and won the West. Feels fricking good craigbiggio.

I'm sure you love it.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 10:51 pm
Posted by GatorsGators
Member since Oct 2012
13454 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 10:51 pm to
It'll be interesting to see how Vandy plays next year. Garland, Shittu, and maybe Langford are all likely one-and-dones but they're losing two huge four-year players in Roberson and LaChance. Saben Lee is the only returner they have who's been a consistent contributor. I'm probably more down on them than most and don't expect a tourney team unless they do get Langford although Garland is legit
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