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re: Ale Kalo “transfer” maneuver will need rules
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:32 am to AshLSU
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:32 am to AshLSU
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So no other player has had to sit out a year because they signed with a decent fervent [different] team?
If a player who signed an NLI and isn't released from it wants to go to another school he has to sit out for a year.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:37 am
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:33 am to whoyodaddy
All of you were thrilled when Bama was losing players to other teams. Unfortunately, as we all told you, that transfer rule works both ways.
Can’t wait until those junior and senior stars start transferring in to Bama to have a shot at a ring.
Can’t wait until those junior and senior stars start transferring in to Bama to have a shot at a ring.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:38 am to thunderbird1100
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Bama gets a transfer and board literally melts.
Probably because it was all extremely fishy how it all went down, just a hint.
Bama player transfers to UGA, whose HC used to be on Bama’s staff
Bama played transfers to Tennessee, whose HC used to be on Bama’s staff.
Nothing fishy about that at all.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:42 am to DawgsLife
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And Saban (or at least Alabama) gave him a release.
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On Tuesday, Saban said he simply wanted the league to decide whether graduate transfers who transfer within the conference are allowed to play immediately or whether they must sit out a year. The previous rule required such players to sit out a year, but it allowed for waivers that could be granted by the commissioner. That process infuriated Saban, who was painted as a villain for several months in 2016 while trying to use the rule to keep defensive back Maurice Smith from transferring to Georgia only to have the conference grant the waiver.
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“If we agree in the SEC in these meetings that we’re going to have free agency in our league and everybody can go wherever they want to go when they graduate and that’s what’s best for the game, then I think that’s what we should do,” Saban said Tuesday. “Then Brandon Kennedy can go wherever he wants to go. But if we don’t do that, why is it on me?”
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Much of Saban’s anger in the 2016 situation stemmed from the fact that SEC officials waited so long to decide whether Smith would get the waiver—essentially hanging Saban out to dry. Had he known they would grant the waiver, he wouldn’t have fought. Now he knows. Graduates don’t need a waiver.
SI - Nick Saban Lost the Battle Over SEC Transfer Rules, but He May Win the War
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:47 am to 14&Counting
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His eligibility belonged to Bama irrespective of his graduation.
Not really. Scholarships are one year contracts. Once you graduate, you cans till play if you have eligibility left, but the NCAA rules specifically say you can go anywhere you want. It was a SEC rule that restricted players to go outside. Once a player graduates he essentially does become a free agent.
quote:As far as the NCAA was concerned it did.
I can’t understand why people are so dense they can’t differentiate between that. His graduation did not give him complete and total control of where he wanted to go.
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Of course they have now changed that rule because of this situation.
The SEC changed their rule, not the NCAA. maybe we are saying the same thing, but missing on the verbiage?
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but his amateur status belonged to Alabama and he if wanted to play for another team then that is fine but it was subject to certain conditions.
Only by SEC rules, but he could have gone anywhere else in the country to any other team in the country. And, that all became a moot point because Alabama gave him his release.
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I don’t understand why that is so difficult for people to grasp.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:51 am to whoyodaddy
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whoyodaddy
Apparently Bama is yo daddy. Now eat your vegetables and quit acting like a bitch.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:52 am to DawgsLife
When did I ever say it wasn’t an SEC rule? No one is debating that.......I believe the Big10 has or had a similar rule. The rules were never consistent among all the P5 conferences.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:54 am to jatebe
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As Saban says, he was following SEC rules and they painted him as a bad guy. He more or less said change the rules even if it meant "free agency" within the conference.
To me, that was the unfortunate aspect of the whole thing. Saban was following the letter of the law. from a Georgia perspective, I can understand that people thought Saban should be the bigger guy and give the release. However,, to me, that was always Saban's perogative. He could go strictly by the rules if he wanted, and that should not make him a bad guy.
quote:I'm sure it does. Do you believe Alabama was talking to Kalo? Personally, I would not make that charge because there is nothing to back it up. Too many people are prepared to scream "cheat!" when there is nothing to back it up other than their own biases. (Talking about some LSU fans, here)
A little behind the scenes talking to player's family to get player to your school. (You can't tell me this doesn't go on, even with Georgia)
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Now rivals can lose good players to rivals. Schools that have invested time & money into teaching players the game can now have that player transfer to their biggest rival and play against them.
They always could if they were willing to sit out a year. With a GT, they have to graduate first. that is not easy for a player to do with eligibility left.
quote:But in actuality, the only thing that has changed is that a kid can go from one SEC school to another after he graduates. He could have always gone to any other school in the nation.
But progress.... free agency has come to college football.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:55 am to BamaBo7
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He counted against our 18 class... We had spots left. Didn’t sign 25 last year. Saban knows what he’s doing
What will the new terminology be? Reverse Processed...Recessed?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:56 am to Sid E Walker
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All of you were thrilled when Bama was losing players to other teams. Unfortunately, as we all told you, that transfer rule works both ways.
Alabama has always had players transfer in. It's silly to insinuate that you have not been taking in transfers just like everybody else.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:58 am to 14&Counting
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When did I ever say it wasn’t an SEC rule?
You never did. I was trying to point out that Alabama did not own another year of eligibility. He could have gone to any other school outside of the SEC.
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I believe the Big10 has or had a similar rule.
I did read that another conference had it. If you say the B1G, then that is good enough for me.
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The rules were never consistent among all the P5 conferences.
They should be. Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:00 am to DawgsLife
quote:Right and Saban gave his consent for him to go anywhere else in the country... not in the SEC.
Only by SEC rules, but he could have gone anywhere else in the country to any other team in the country. And, that all became a moot point because Alabama gave him his release.
The University of Alabama only gave him his release after the SEC gave him a waiver, essentially waiting so long that news agencies everywhere painted Saban as a villian, though he was following SEC rules.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:12 am to DawgsLife
quote:Name a 4 star recruit that signed with another SEC school, played several years, and then transferred to Alabama.
Alabama has always had players transfer in. It's silly to insinuate that you have not been taking in transfers just like everybody else.
Would you think any other SEC school would block their players from transferring to Alabama?
Bama does get transfers from other conferences, but the only player transferring to Bama from a rival SEC school I can think of is Andy Pappanastos, and he transferred to Bama as a walk on.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:52 am to jatebe
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Right and Saban gave his consent for him to go anywhere else in the country... not in the SEC.
Right. I'm not arguing that Saban was not within his rights. You are being too defensive, I think. But your wording was off. He did not owe Alabama another year of eligibility, or he could not have transferred without a penalty. he could have gone anywhere outside the SEC with no penalty at all.
quote:That's not true, either. Look at the links I provided. here is a synopsis:
The University of Alabama only gave him his release after the SEC gave him a waiver,
1. Smith graduated.
2. Smith wanted to go to Baylor.
3. Baylor had their scandal, fired coach and Smith decided he wanted to go to Georgia.
4. Saban said no. Nowhere in the SEC.
5. Smith's parents caused a commotion about it in the media.
6. SEC put pressure on Saban. Saban/Alabama gave release.
7. SEC granted waiver.
It might be semantics, but the SEC officially gave waiver after Alabama gave release. (I mean, the SEC and the media put pressure on Saban/Alabama, so it was a given the SEC would also give the waiver)
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news agencies everywhere painted Saban as a villain, though he was following SEC rules.
Again. I agree. It was unfair for Saban to be painted as the villain in this case because he was going by the rules.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:56 am to BamaBo7
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You mean like being a grad transfer and saying that the school doesn’t have your masters program.. but really it’s because of playing time? Saban spoke against free agency and everyone jumped on him. Well here it is...
This is correct.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:56 am to jatebe
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Name a 4 star recruit that signed with another SEC school, played several years, and then goes to Alabama.
Jonathan Taylor
Posted on 8/16/18 at 11:58 am to jatebe
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Name a 4 star recruit that signed with another SEC school, played several years, and then transferred to Alabama.
Dude. seriously? Don't act like Alabama has never taken in transfers.
You want it to fill in every single criteria? I mean, as far as I know, Georgia has only done it once....and that was with Smith who was a graduate transfer. Doen't be obtuse. quote:Did I insinuate that Saban was wrong in his stance?
Would you think any other SEC school would block their players from transferring to Alabama?
Look. Players are going to transfer from Alabama because the roster is so stacked and they can't get enough playing time. A lot of players will not transfer to Alabama for the same reason. Georgia will start to have the same problem in the next few years.
Can you at least agree that that statement is true?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 12:04 pm to meansonny
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Jonathan Taylor
Nice catch!
I mean, it's silly to put such restrictions on it, because very few players transfer among SEC schools anyway. I mean, it happens, but it is not like it happens all the time.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 12:08 pm to meansonny
quote:Didn't Taylor get kicked off the Georgia team?
Jonathan Taylor
Posted on 8/16/18 at 12:11 pm to coachcrisp
Sophomore. Kicked off the Georgia team. Signed with Bama. Then pled guilty to domestic violence.
Fits a multi year player who signed with 1 school and then went to another.
Fits a multi year player who signed with 1 school and then went to another.
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