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Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:42 am to DawgsLife
Quit being an obtuse freak
And nobody cares about Mo Smith
And nobody cares about Mo Smith
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:42 am to cyde
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His issue is that the kid chose Alabama.
And this is actually true. That is his biggest issue. And, to an extent, I can understand it. I mean, it is never easy to watch a rival you are trying to catch get further ahead.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:44 am to DawgsLife
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If he had wanted to go to LSU you would have been defending the
Actually, no. I wouldn’t.
I’d like to see college football completely changed. I’d like to actually see a no name college have a real shot at winning a National championship. I’d like it to be fair for all teams involved, not just a select few.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:44 am to JuiceTerry
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Quit being an obtuse freak
And nobody cares about Mo Smith
I bet I can find tons of posts that say otherwise. but the whole point was that some Bama fans were trying to compare an undergraduate transfer to a graduate transfer. Some of your fans can't seem to make a distinction between the two. It doesn't matter if they are talking about Mo Smith or Kennedy, or who they are talking about. This is a different situation, and trying to draw parallels is wrong.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:46 am to AshLSU
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I’d like to see college football completely changed. I’d like to actually see a no name college have a real shot at winning a National championship. I’d like it to be fair for all teams involved, not just a select few.
I do not want Socialism in college football.
You do understand that is what you are advocating, right?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:47 am to DawgsLife
quote:Actually, the rule was that he had to sit out a year when transferring within the SEC. But the SEC office broke the rule and let him play immediately.
Some Bama fans went crazy when Mo Smith went to Georgia. he was within the rules, and was a graduate transfer.
The rule was just changed this June, and now any graduate can transfer and play immediately to any other SEC school they want.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:48 am to DawgsLife
What people were upset about in the Smith situation is that Saban was perfectly within the rules to deny Smith’s transfer to UGA. Saban had blessed his transfer to Miami and then Baylor. The Baylor situation blew up and Kirby took the UGA job and then Smith decided to go to UGA. Nick said no and got a lot of flack for it even though he clearly had the right to deny the in-conference transfer per SEC rules. There was also contact between Smart and Tucket with Smith and family and it appears there was some tampering going on. The fact that Smith had graduated had no bearing on his ability to transfer in-conference without restriction as he was still signed to Bama. He could go out of conference without restriction but not in conference unless approved by Saban. Smith was a critical piece of our defense that year and Saban declined to let him go to a competitor. Idiots on this board were bashing Saban for excercisinh his right under the rules. It was the tampering by UGA with in-conference player that was Saban’s issue.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:52 am to jatebe
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Actually, the rule was that he had to sit out a year when transferring within the SEC. But the SEC office broke the rule and let him play immediately.
No, they didn't. Saban gave him a waiver. If Saban had not, then Smith could not have gone. Granted, the SEC put pressure on Saban to give the release, but he was given a release by Saban.
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The rule was just changed this June, and now any graduate can transfer and play immediately to any other SEC school they want.
I had not heard that they changed the rule. They should have changed it. It was a bad rule since the student had graduated.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:53 am to 14&Counting
He was eventually not allowed into school. He contacted Alabama and other schools, where he was essentially re-recruited. This happens all the time. Im not sure I understand the big deal other than you just dont like where he ended up.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:56 am to 14&Counting
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What people were upset about in the Smith situation is that Saban was perfectly within the rules to deny Smith’s transfer to UGA.
Understand and agree with your assessment.
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Nick said no and got a lot of flack for it even though he clearly had the right to deny the in-conference transfer per SEC rules.
Also agree with this.
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There was also contact between Smart and Tucket with Smith and family and it appears there was some tampering going on.
Disagree with this, bur I am willing to admit you might be right. can you provde something to back this up? because if you are speculating, then you must admit LSU fans speculating that Alabama contacted Kaleo is reasonable. I don't think either Smith nor Kaleo was contacted and it was natural course of events.
quote:True.
He could go out of conference without restriction but not in conference unless approved by Saban.
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Idiots on this board were bashing Saban for excercisinh his right under the rules.
And they were wrong.
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It was the tampering by UGA with in-conference player that was Saban’s issue.
Proof? if you don't have it then you are as bad as some of the LSU fans claiming tampering against Alabama in this case.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:59 am to jatebe
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:02 am to DawgsLife
Here is a link from an Alabam site saying Alabama gave Smith the release...just in case this gives more weight:
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TUSCALOOSA | The University of Alabama athletic department has granted a full release to defensive back Maurice Smith, sources have confirmed to The Tuscaloosa News.
Smith, who graduated from Alabama last Saturday, can contact any school including those within the SEC about a potential transfer with the release. The status of any possible transfer within the conference would depend on approval of a waiver by the Southeastern Conference office.
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TUSCALOOSA | The University of Alabama athletic department has granted a full release to defensive back Maurice Smith, sources have confirmed to The Tuscaloosa News.
Smith, who graduated from Alabama last Saturday, can contact any school including those within the SEC about a potential transfer with the release. The status of any possible transfer within the conference would depend on approval of a waiver by the Southeastern Conference office.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:05 am to DawgsLife
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ETA
Here is what I said again: Show me one single post in which Saban warned anybody that free agency was coming to college football.
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DESTIN, Fla. — While Nick Saban was busy enjoying a fun day at the lake with several of Alabama’s veterans, Southeastern Conference administrators ruled in favor of what he’s referred to as “free agency” on the final day of the league's annual spring meetings Friday.
It’s a point Saban made a year ago at the spring meetings.
"I think we would benefit, we would benefit as much as anybody in our league if you said you can transfer,” Saban said last year. “Kentucky's got a good player? We'll go see if we can get him to come to Alabama.”
Saban never wavered from that stance, but the legislation passed Friday. Student-athletes with at least a bachelor’s degree from one SEC program can now transfer to another without having to sit out a year.
“To be honest with you, if we allow that to happen in our league, I think it will benefit some schools more than others,” Saban said Tuesday, “and I think we're one of the schools it would benefit. But I'm still not for it."
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Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:07 am to DawgsLife
When the Briles situation blew up Smith didn’t want to go to Baylor. Smart and Tucker both recruited Smith. The family had obviously been speaking with Georgia and UGA needed him. UGA and Smith’s family knew Nick wouldn’t sign off on it and waged a public campaign to shame him into doing so...complaining to the league office etc.
Smith had been at Bama for some time and was a starting back in our nickle. He owed us one more year and UGA worked him to get a transfer knowing perfectly well that rule prevented an in conference transfer
Smith had been at Bama for some time and was a starting back in our nickle. He owed us one more year and UGA worked him to get a transfer knowing perfectly well that rule prevented an in conference transfer
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:10 am to jatebe
Okay. You convinced me that he said something like that. I still don't understand how that applies to the Kaleo situation. There have been transfers for years. This is not some new situation that nick Saban can exploit.
However, kudos for all the work you put into finding those! I really didn't think it existed. I thought it was Alabama fan huberis. 
However, kudos for all the work you put into finding those! I really didn't think it existed. I thought it was Alabama fan huberis.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:15 am to 14&Counting
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The family had obviously been speaking with Georgia and UGA needed him.
That is speculation, not proof. I mean, LSU fans are speculating that Alabama contacted Kaleo because they had supposedly not talked to him in 8 months. I mean, you could change your reasoning over to Kaleo and get the same results, could you not?
Kid decides to leave school he has signed LOI with. Alabama needs a ILB, so it is obvious Alabama contacted him knowing Petersen would not give him a release if he knew he was going to Alabama?
Now, I don't believe either happen, and to say anything like those thing would be guessing and insinuation. Neither can be backed up.
quote:How do you figure he owed you one more year? he graduated!
He owed us one more year
quote:And Saban (or at least Alabama) gave him a release.
UGA worked him to get a transfer knowing perfectly well that rule prevented an in conference transfer
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:23 am to 14&Counting
I find this thread to be extremely interesting...not from a "who's right and who's wrong" perspective, but because there are rules and regulations that govern every aspect of the multiple arguments going on within it, along with copies of articles that document the comments of the people in question.
It's an excellent example of how people hear/understand what they want to, and not what's in black and white.
It's an excellent example of how people hear/understand what they want to, and not what's in black and white.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:24 am to DawgsLife
His eligibility belonged to Bama irrespective of his graduation. He could transfer out of conference without restriction or in conference with permission.
I can’t understand why people are so dense they can’t differentiate between that. His graduation did not give him complete and total control of where he wanted to go. Of course they have now changed that rule because of this situation.....but his amateur status belonged to Alabama and he if wanted to play for another team then that is fine but it was subject to certain conditions.
I don’t understand why that is so difficult for people to grasp.
I can’t understand why people are so dense they can’t differentiate between that. His graduation did not give him complete and total control of where he wanted to go. Of course they have now changed that rule because of this situation.....but his amateur status belonged to Alabama and he if wanted to play for another team then that is fine but it was subject to certain conditions.
I don’t understand why that is so difficult for people to grasp.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 10:30 am to DawgsLife
quote:Wasn't a lot of work. I pretty much listen to Saban talks and remember when this was going down.
However, kudos for all the work you put into finding those!
As Saban says, he was following SEC rules and they painted him as a bad guy. He more or less said change the rules even if it meant "free agency" within the conference.
Now the rule has been changed and any graduate can transfer within the conference and play immediately.
Schools like Bama, Georgia, Auburn, LSU can get just about any graduate player they want with no problem. A little behind the scenes talking to player's family to get player to your school. (You can't tell me this doesn't go on, even with Georgia)
Teams like Kentucky, Miss State, Mizzou, Vandy could possibly loose players they've invested their time and money into that wanted to transfer to a school with a better chance to play for and win conference or national championships.
Now rivals can lose good players to rivals. Schools that have invested time & money into teaching players the game can now have that player transfer to their biggest rival and play against them.
But progress.... free agency has come to college football.
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