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re: Ale Kalo “transfer” maneuver will need rules

Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:58 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:58 am to
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What do you call a kid that enrolls in your school and has never been enrolled in college before?

According to you, it's an 'undergraduate transfer' but I'm not so sure you're correct.




Undergraduate means a player who does not have his undergraduate degree, does it not? graduate transfer, means a player who has his undergraduate degree, and wants to work on his masters.

You don't see the difference?

ETA
Do you really want to argue that point?

Keep in mind, I am arguing there was absolutely nothing wrong with graduate transfers or undergraduate transfers as long as they follow the rules. I am also arguing that in your new ILB case, all the rules were followed.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:00 am
Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
2983 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:00 am to
Everything is on the up and up with this kid. All of the i have been dotted and t crossed. Praise the lord he is closer to his family now that is what matters. 2200 Miles is nothing but a plane ride away. Remember guys, it is about the student athlete.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:55 am
Posted by BamaBo7
Madison,MS
Member since Jan 2017
5686 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:02 am to
Dude, No one is talking about Mo!! It’s not about UGA.. sorry. Win something first.

My response was to the OP saying Kalo lied.. I was pointing out kids lie all the time with masters thing. It’s nothung new and not a big deal. I’m not even mad about it.. I’m ok with them transferring. Kids get one chance at college.. they should be where they want to be.
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:05 am to
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Undergraduate means a player who does not have his undergraduate degree, does it not?


Undergraduate - noun - a student at a college or university who has not yet earned a bachelor's or equivalent degree.

But I guess your definition extends to kindergartners alike.

Posted by jryanw
Bham, AL
Member since Dec 2013
4611 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:05 am to
Cry bitch. Your tears ?? are delicious.
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:08 am to
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Honestly? I really don't see anything shady. I believe the kid picked and signed with Washington, then immediately had buyers remorse.



But he picked and signed. And there in lies the problem. We don’t have free agency currently. Maybe he should have thought about his decision a little longer before he picked and signed.

You know just like everyone else that this ordeal was shady.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:11 am to
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My response was to the OP saying Kalo lied.. I was pointing out kids lie all the time with masters thing. It’s nothung new and not a big deal. I’m not even mad about it.. I’m ok with them transferring. Kids get one chance at college.. they should be where they want to be.




And the point is that a graduate transfer is totally different and immaterial to this situation. I didn't bring up graduate transfers, y'all did.

I have no problem with transfers, either. As long as they follow the rules. And sop far, in all cases that have been mentioned, the players have followed the rules.
Posted by UAtide11
Member since Apr 2014
2190 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:11 am to
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You know just like everyone else that this ordeal was shady.


Is it shady like getting a 5-star transfer who has already played a year and a half at his current school? And that guy not having to sit out for a year? And that guy was somebody you went down to the wire originally recruiting?
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:13 am to
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LSU can now add the University of Washington and Peterson to their list of Alabama conspiracy collaborators. Damn the REC gets around.



Nobody is saying it’s a conspiracy you cockstain. The kid flat out lied to UW and played a sympathy card to get out of his commitment to them just when an opening came up for his position at Alabama.
Posted by MykTide
Member since Jul 2012
25460 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:13 am to
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But he picked and signed. And there in lies the problem. We don’t have free agency currently. Maybe he should have thought about his decision a little longer before he picked and signed.



Are you purposely missing the part where he was unable to meet admission requirements at Washington so was allowed to pick any school he wished without restrictions?

Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:14 am to
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But he picked and signed.

But never enrolled. If Washingotn had not given him a waivver, he would have had to sit a year. But they gave him a waiver. if you want to be mad at somebody, be mad at Washington. not Alabama.
If he had wanted to go to LSU you would have been defending the situation.

quote:

Maybe he should have thought about his decision a little longer before he picked and signed.

I agree 100%. And if Washington had not given the waiver he would have learned a valuable lesson. but they gave him a waiver.

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You know just like everyone else that this ordeal was shady.

Sorry. I disagree. I might be wrong and you might be right. But just looking at it, I don't see it as being shady. Now, if Alabama had not been is second choice and they came out of nowhere? maybe. but...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:15 am to
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Is it shady like getting a 5-star transfer who has already played a year and a half at his current school? And that guy not having to sit out for a year? And that guy was somebody you went down to the wire originally recruiting?


Why don't you call out a name, because Alabama fans keep saying we are guessing wrong with who you are talking about.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:17 am to
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Undergraduate - noun - a student at a college or university who has not yet earned a bachelor's or equivalent degree.

But I guess your definition extends to kindergartners alike.



Okay. So he is not a transfer? Is he or isn't he?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25486 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:20 am to
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But he picked and signed. And there in lies the problem.

Is your issue that the kid signed a letter of intent?

Or is the issue that UW released him?
Posted by TidalSurge1
Ft Walton Beach
Member since Sep 2016
36467 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:20 am to
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The Ale Kalo “transfer” sets a bad precedent and opens the proverbial slippery slope. Firstly, the receiving team gets a “transfer” who really NEVER was enrolled in the previous school. Therefore this maneuver allows the receiving team, which already possesses a maxed out recent recruiting class, to over sign and therefore gain another uncounted recruit -because he is termed a “transfer”. This mechanism WILL be increasingly utilized to fill up the whole roster AND over sign recruits for that year.

Unless this is controlled, it could turn the ”commitment” into a hollow agreement. One remedy is for the NCAA to count that never enrolled “transfer” for the next year’s recruiting class for the receiving school.


Wrong.

Kaho's situation has nothing to with tranfer rules. He wasn't a transfer, because he didn't enroll at UW. He didn't meet UW's academic requirements. He was released from his NLI and therefore was free to sign and enroll elsewhere without having to sit out.

But there's no oversigning loophole in the rules because he still has to be counted against the 25 signing/initial counter and 85 total counter limits.

Bama didn't benefit from any loophole allowing them to oversign. Bama still had one unused spot in it's 2018 signing class and less than 85 scholarship players. So, they could simply add him as a normal 2018 class signee.

Any school who didn't have both an unused 2018 class spot and less than 85 scolarship players, would have to sign him as a greyshirt (Jan 2019 enrollment). Blueshirts are impossible now with the signing limit rule changes (effective for 2018 recruiting cycle) because initial fall scholarships count against the current academic year's 25 signings limit.

There is no oversigning loophole or problem within the rules regarding his situation.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 10:26 am
Posted by SAINTS0321
Member since Jan 2016
3963 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:21 am to
Not at all in this case..ale wasn't permitted to enroll at w
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37241 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:27 am to
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Show me one single post in which Saban warned anybody that free agency was coming to college football.



quote:

Saban has long been opposed to college “free agency,” a term he uses to describe student-athletes freely transferring wherever they’d like, especially within the SEC. And for the most part, the SEC is in line with Saban’s way of thinking.

That said, there have been recent rumblings, both within the conference and on a national level, about changing those rules, especially as it pertains to graduate transfers.

The NCAA’s transfer working group, which met last month in Indianapolis, recently recommended Proposal 2017-108 that would effectively rewrite the current transfer model, which gave a student-athlete’s current program partial authority over the transfer. The new proposal would allow student-athletes to provide written notification of their intent to transfer and then be entered in a “national transfer database” to effectively re-open their recruitment.


Saban: “Do we want to have free agency in the SEC?”
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:30 am to
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Saban has long been opposed to college “free agency,” a term he uses to describe student-athletes freely transferring wherever they’d like, especially within the SEC. And for the most part, the SEC is in line with Saban’s way of thinking.


Okay. So you are saying he was opposed to it. I am missing the part where he said it was coming.

quote:

That said, there have been recent rumblings, both within the conference and on a national level, about changing those rules, especially as it pertains to graduate transfers.


Okay, rumblings that a rule might change.

I am still missing the part where Saban warned everybody that free agency was coming and Alabama was going to get everybody.



I'll wait for Saban's warning link.

ETA
Here is what I said again: Show me one single post in which Saban warned anybody that free agency was coming to college football.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 9:32 am
Posted by AshLSU
Member since Nov 2015
12868 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:37 am to
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Is your issue that the kid signed a letter of intent?



So no other player has had to sit out a year because they signed with a decent fervent team?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 8/16/18 at 9:41 am to
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So no other player has had to sit out a year because they signed with a decent fervent team?




You need to understand that there are different rules for different circumstances.

Graduate Transfers
Undergraduate transfers
Hardship Transfers

they all have different rules and criteria for allowing and denying their transfers. There is no one single catch all rule. They are all different and handled differently.
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