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re: A&M supports LSU's desire to not play UF every year
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:35 am to WDE24
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:35 am to WDE24
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Are you sure? there would have been a 3 way tie. I haven't looked at the three way tie breaker for that season had it happened.
Like there is now, there would have to be a tie-breaker scenario. SOS, home vs away, national ranking, etc.
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Either way, you would have beaten one less quality team and possibly wouldn't have made the BCS title game.
Low SOS and "one less quality opponent" hasn't hurt Bama, now has it? The SEC Champ will have a foot in the door to the Title game for the foreseeable future. In 2004 the conference didn't have that clout. We do now, and I'd say we did in 07, too.
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Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:37 am to ibldprplgld
quote:Yes, but you said UF would have been in the SEC Championship game. I'm not sure that is true since there would have been a 3 way tie.
Like there is now, there would have to be a tie-breaker scenario. SOS, home vs away, national ranking, etc.
quote:Well, they haven't made it into the BCS game after losing to UK and Arky now have they.
Low SOS and "one less quality opponent" hasn't hurt Bama, now has it?
You think trading vandy for one of those quality cross divisional wins would have kept LSU in the BCS game that year?
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:40 am to WDE24
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that wasn't your original assertion that I said was wrong.
You said they were a top 10 team except for a year or two. I said that was wrong.
Had you said they were a top ten team except for a year or eight, I wouldn't have said you were wrong.
I see you post on here enough WDE24 to understand what your trying to do. I been on this board a long time as well so you can relax your not gonna get a rise out of me.
You do however keep ignoring the fact that my original post I said Pretty Much which obviously means I didn't know exactly what their record was. In fact I hadn't even bothered to look it up yet cause I really don't care exactly how many times they have been top 10.
Then when the facts come out they have been top 10 60% and at least top 13 18 out of 23. My original point is still true that year in and year out they are nationally relevant. Whether admit it or not is up to you.
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 10:41 am
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:40 am to WDE24
quote:Total Bull shite!
UT is in a down cycle, but they are one of the best programs in college football history. On par with UF.
Since the beginning of divisional play Florida has finished first or tied for first in the SEC East 12 times; Georgia 7 times; and Tennessee 6 times.
Since 2000, Florida has finished first or tied for first 6 times; Georgia 6 times, and Tennessee 3 times.
The only other school to finish first in the SEC East is South Carolina. They did it once in 2010.
Tennessee hasn't finished first in the SEC East in over 5 years, and they aren't about to do it at any time in the foreseeable future.
In fact, Tennessee has finished 1-7 in conference the past two seasons.
Now you know why Alabama will fight tooth and nail to keep Tennessee on their schedule every damn year they can.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:44 am to Sheetbend
He was talking about cfb history and you call bull shite because of the last 7 years?
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:45 am to Sheetbend
quote:It is actually 100% true.
Total Bull shite!
quote:Welcome to the definition of a down cycle.
Tennessee hasn't finished first in the SEC East in over 5 years
quote:Yes. And USC was never going to lose in the PAC10. UT was going to win multiple NC. FSU would never lose the ACC. UF and Urban Meyer were here to stay. Most times people think a program is too big to fail, they start failing.
they aren't about to do it at any time in the foreseeable future.
quote:Because they have had a traditional rivalry that is similar to OSU and Michigan.
Now you know why Alabama will fight tooth and nail to keep Tennessee on their schedule every damn year they can.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:53 am to WDE24
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Yes, but you said UF would have been in the SEC Championship game. I'm not sure that is true since there would have been a 3 way tie.
Regardless if it was UF, it would have been the winner of the SEC East. Are you discrediting the East that much that any other opponent besides UF would have been less worthy to face the West Champion? Division champion is division champion.
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Well, they haven't made it into the BCS game after losing to UK and Arky now have they.
You think trading vandy for one of those quality cross divisional wins would have kept LSU in the BCS game that year?
LSU would have still been SEC champion, so yes I think we still would have gone.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:56 am to ibldprplgld
These schedule threads are pointless and redundant.
LSU fans say they want "fair" scheduling as often as possible. Fans of those schools that have rivals from the other division call LSU fans whiners.....We're on page 10 of that here, and we have multiple threads just like this every day.
LSU fans say they want "fair" scheduling as often as possible. Fans of those schools that have rivals from the other division call LSU fans whiners.....We're on page 10 of that here, and we have multiple threads just like this every day.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:56 am to ibldprplgld
quote:No, but you would have had 1 fewer games against a quality east opponent. It really is an easy concept to understand.
Regardless if it was UF, it would have been the winner of the SEC East. Are you discrediting the East that much that any other opponent besides UF would have been less worthy to face the West Champion? Division champion is division champion.
quote:But you would have had several teams with the same number of losses and just as many or more quality wins, including a couple from your own conference. LSU's resume wouldn't have looked as good and their computer rankings would have suffered, likely knocking them down a notch or two in the BCS rankings. Also, you could have had to play UGA who would have probably beaten you.
LSU would have still been SEC champion, so yes I think we still would have gone.
This post was edited on 5/21/13 at 10:58 am
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:56 am to pvilleguru
quote:There you go again with the--B.S.
He was talking about cfb history and you call bull shite because of the last 7 years?
I went back to when divisional play started and showed Tennessee was never on par with Florida.
That is 20 years with Florida dominating 2 to 1 with best SEC East record.
And since 2000, both Florida and Georgia have dominated Tennessee 2-1.
Last year Georgia and Florida finished 7-1 while Tennessee finished 1-7.
Tennessee has lost their regional recruiting base and will never get it back. They are doomed to cellar dweller or 2nd tier weak sister just like Missouri.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 10:59 am to WDE24
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Welcome to the definition of a down cycle.
Yes, their worst in almost 100 years. Guess we'll all just keep waiting on that resurgence.
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Because they have had a traditional rivalry that is similar to OSU and Michigan.
So? Want all the benefits of changing and growing and modernizing, but please don't touch this "traditional rivalry."
Sentimentality is not always a virtue. Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:00 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:So, that is the reason Bama wants to keep them. Why are you ignoring the context of the comment?
So?
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:02 am to WDE24
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No, but you would have had 1 fewer games against a quality east opponent. It really is an easy concept to understand.
I agree, it is. And I will re-assert: how has playing one less quality SEC East team hurt Bama the last few year? It hasn't. If you say it has, go look at their trophy case.
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But you would have had several teams with the same number of losses and just as many or more quality wins, including a couple of your own conference. LSU's resume wouldn't have looked as good and their computer rankings would have suffered, likely knocking them down a notch or two in the BCS rankings. Also, you could have had to play UGA who would have probably beaten you.
Whole lotta hypotheticals in there, brah. Don't care what that would have done to an LSU team 6 years ago. The conference and our perception nationally has changed. I'm looking forward.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:04 am to WDE24
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o, that is the reason Bama wants to keep them. Why are you ignoring the context of the comment?
I'm not. I think we've all heard (ad infinitum) about the reason for wanting to keep that game. My point is that the reason is outweighed by other considerations.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:04 am to ibldprplgld
quote:I didn't claim it had. I claimed it helped LSU in 2007 win a NC. I don't understand how this is a hard concept for you.
And I will re-assert: how has playing one less quality SEC East team hurt Bama the last few year? It hasn't.
quote:You would if it would have taken a NC away from LSU.
Don't care what that would have done to an LSU team 6 years ago.
quote:Won't matter if you weaken your schedule and it keeps you out of a playoff.
The conference and our perception nationally has changed.
quote:No you aren't/ you are looking at Alabama only and crying that it isn't fair.
I'm looking forward.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:05 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Except that the poster I was responding to (context) insinuated a different reason.
I think we've all heard (ad infinitum) about the reason for wanting to keep that game.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:08 am to WDE24
WDE24, you my friend, are arguing the point as good or better than I can. This coming from an Auburn fan should carry more weight than if it was coming from a BAMA fan (no bias).
Were LSU fans and their alters arguing this point before 1/9/12?
Were LSU fans and their alters arguing this point before 1/9/12?
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:09 am to texasaggie08
LSU's entire AD comes off as looking like a huge collection of cry babies.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:10 am to WDE24
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LSU would have still been SEC champion, so yes I think we still would have gone.
But you would have had several teams with the same number of losses and just as many or more quality wins, including a couple from your own conference. LSU's resume wouldn't have looked as good and their computer rankings would have suffered, likely knocking them down a notch or two in the BCS rankings. Also, you could have had to play UGA who would have probably beaten you.
The most important thing to think about if your gonna start making a random hypothetical about the 07 season is we probably don't lose to Kentucky in the first place if we would have played Vandy instead of UF the week before. Those elite match-up slug-fests always take a ton out of teams as we saw what happened with the Texas A&m-Bama game the week after the LSU-Bama game. So yea I know it's fun to play what if all day but the problem with doing that is it changes what may have happened with other variables.
Posted on 5/21/13 at 11:11 am to BIG DADDY 73
quote:This issue has become important to LSU fans in the wake of their recent yearly battles with Alabama for the West title and the mulligan game.
Were LSU fans and their alters arguing this point before 1/9/12?
It is almost 100% a reaction from LSU fans to finishing on the short end of the stick in comparison to Bama the last few years.
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