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re: 247's Josh Pate with a hot take on a potential 8-team College Football Playoff
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:33 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:33 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
The big 12 is the plus one
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Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:43 pm to meansonny
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Players have opted out for an entire season. It wont stop opt outs.
So far not one person has opted out of a playoff game, so the evidence points to the contrary. With that said, curbing something isnt stopping something.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:33 pm to diddlydawg7
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Winning your conference should mean something.
This is absolutely stupid and people need to stop saying it. If you're a shitty team who manages to win a shitty conference, you don't deserve a damn thing. The playoffs are NOT a participation trophy.
AQ is a ridiculous idea.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 8:40 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:19 pm to djsdawg
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So far
It wasnt long ago that no one opted out.
Then Nick Bosa virtually skipped his junior season. Fournette and McCafrey skipped big bowl games.
If you are hanging your argument on "so far", im going to chuckle and agree to disagree. The nfl doesnt care about optouts. And there will be an agent in the near future who conveys that message to a top pick.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:41 pm to meansonny
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It wasnt long ago that no one opted out.
Until a player plays the season, but then skips the playoffs, and none of your 3 names did that, your point lacks validity. The players seem to care about the playoffs, even when against their agents wishes.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:45 pm to djsdawg
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your point lacks validity
My point is that the nfl doesnt care about the playoffs.
And that an agent will give a college player money to sit out and train for the draft.
That is a valid argument to skip a post season (it is 100% true).
You know it is coming.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:46 pm to diddlydawg7
I agree with Diddly
Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:21 pm to meansonny
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My point is that the nfl doesnt care about the playoffs.
Which has nothing to do with my point.
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And that an agent will give a college player money to sit out and train for the draft.
Yet this hasnt led to a player quitting after earning a playoff spot. Why is that?
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That is a valid argument to skip a post season (it is 100% true).
Valid to skip a PLAYOFF spot? So far, nope. Turns out players want to win national titles. Who would have thunk it?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 10:24 pm to diddlydawg7
no
Posted on 3/9/21 at 11:36 pm to RollTide1987
Agree. The playoffs suck. They’ve completely devalued the bowl system. 90% of schools have no realistic chance of ever making the playoff. Interest decrease, gap widened. Opt outs. Etc
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:15 am to TheXman
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8 team playoff would be worthless today with the power structure of college football as it is.
I mean this year we would have added Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, and a 4th team.
None of those teams would have touched Alabama.
The same would have happened with LSU the year before and Clemson the year before.
I am seeing a huge improvement among the lesser teams though. Arkansas, Mizzou, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Florida, Georgia, maybe Auburn. Give everyone 2 more years and see if things tighten up due to lesser teams getting much better recruits. I do see huge improvement with some of the teams.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 2:27 am to JesusQuintana
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The playoffs suck. They’ve completely devalued the bowl system. 90% of schools have no realistic chance of ever making the playoff. Interest decrease, gap widened. Opt outs. Etc
I think having 40+ bowls and diluting the accomplishment takes away from that. Certainly now with opt outs and portal, it will only get worse. Should. 500 really be bowl worthy?
The thing is they are still making money and until there is a problem there, there likely won't be any changes. It's crazy they make money on small bowls with 10 ppl in the stadium - non covid - advertising/marketing is still king.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 3:44 am to momentoftruth87
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Should. 500 really be bowl worthy?
No, it shouldn't. Reaching a bowl game used to mean something. If you finished the season 6-5 back in the 70s or the 80s your chances of making a bowl were very slim unless things aligned perfectly. There is such a thing as too much of a good thing. ESPN has been diluting the product of college football for the last two or three decades. We've reached the point of maximum overdrive. They have killed interest in anything that isn't the College Football Playoff.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 4:58 am to meansonny
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Unfortunately, college football fans and media personalities are too dumb to realize that the only need for a playoff was to use the top 4 teams in order to make sure that the top 2 teams were actually included.
This is fact. The CFP was created so we would no longer have that feeling that we needed one more game to decide a champion. It was never about opening it up so lesser teams could feel better.
ESPN’s laser focus on “Who’s In” combined with the over saturation of bowl season has led to this mess we have now where it seems like 3-4 programs are separating themselves because they are the “playoff teams” and don’t make the playoff, then you aren’t happy with your season.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 7:50 am
Posted on 3/10/21 at 8:51 am to TomRollTideRitter
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The problem is right now people are straddling a bowl/playoff system fence, and we’ve gotten the worst system in CFB history. No one likes this system. They either miss the old system or want a larger one.
Many of those national champions of the bowl era were picked with the same efficiency and fairness that prompted the entire nation of sports voters to award Manti Te'o as the greatest football player that ever way. I have zero interest in revisiting the dark ages of a beauty contest.
Recruits are making these superteams. They are picking the same few hats on the table each time. They don't care about geography, loyalty to home teams. They want this to be about getting to the NFL and winning NCs. They've changed the dynamics, even the last decade in the way they get on social media, visit these camps together. It's getting to have a real AAU feel to it.
ALABAMA, Georgia, LSU, and TAMU are close in abundant talent and have absolutely zero credibility to talk about talent difference being any reason they aren't in the playoff. Florida and the barn has a recent history. Here is the biggest group of party crashers in the country. No conference has half the contenders of the SEC that are legit playoff-caliber teams.
Why isn't the SEC more excited? Instead, we get this poor pitiful me, why is BAMA, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma so dominate? It's embarrassing with this many SEC teams who have already won big and have this amount of talent.
Today's player gets knocked for whining all the time, They got nothing on this generation of the bleeding-heart SEC football fan.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:12 am to Smokeyone
Interesting take from a fan of a team that will not be in any football playoff discussion until the 2030's
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:22 am to RollTide1987
No expansion. It’s usually some form of Clemson, OSU, and Alabama, leaving one spot for a flash in the pan team of that year.
College football is a monopoly of sorts, so there’s really no need to expand.
College football is a monopoly of sorts, so there’s really no need to expand.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 9:28 am
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:30 am to RollTide1987
8 conferences. 8 team playoff. Only conference champs. Problem solved.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:16 am to diddlydawg7
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#4 Notre Dame vs #5 Texas A&M
Great game
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#3 Ohio State vs #6 Oklahoma
Good game
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#2 Clemson vs #7 Cincinnati
Would have been a really good game imo
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#1 Alabama vs #8 Oregon
Blowout but we already have those.
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:26 am to djsdawg
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Until a player plays the season, but then skips the playoffs, and none of your 3 names did that, your point lacks validity. The players seem to care about the playoffs, even when against their agents wishes.
Players on teams in the top 4 aren’t going to skip a playoff game, but players on the 5-8 teams, most of which are going to be cannon fodder, may feel differently.
Adding 4 more teams is only going to ensure that the same elite teams get in, even if they lose a late game, either the conference championship game or one that keeps them out of one, and put some others in that have no chance whatsoever, especially if there is a G5 autobid. It’s not going to give a chance to many scrappy Cinderella teams, and ones that get in aren’t going to have any real chance at the championship. Ultimately, talent will win.
The biggest issue for me is adding another game onto an already long season. Every game you add is just another chance for the players to get injured, just at the time when many of them are coming up on the biggest job interview in their lives, where an injury can cost them millions of dollars or their careers. And it’s not just one season, most of the same teams are going to be in the playoff each year, so it will add another 2 or 3 total games, against supposedly elite competition, each one another opportunity to be hurt. It ain’t all about us and our desire to give the little guys a shot or to be entertained. You think that pushing them to play in games that they might opt out on otherwise is a good thing.
Just keep it at 4.
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