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re: 247's Josh Pate with a hot take on a potential 8-team College Football Playoff
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:01 pm to diddlydawg7
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:01 pm to diddlydawg7
You had me here. 
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- Punishes ND for not joining a conference
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Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:07 pm to diddlydawg7
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- The 5 auto bids gives less power to the committee, which is a major complaint.
- Group of 5 gets a team, which they have been complaining about for years
- Punishes ND for not joining a conference
- Winning your conference means something
All of these are minor complaints though. The #1 complaint is that it’s the same teams every year. Going to 8 does nothing to change that except adding a round where those same teams run some teams.
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Not to mention it increases entertainment value. It brings some of the aspects of March Madness to football.
Ridiculous comparison. Football isn’t basketball where you only need a few guys to get a hot hand. You need a whole team of athletic freaks to win in football.
Any system for CFB needs to consider, above all else, how uniquely unbalanced it is. The only comparable is European soccer leagues which use promotion/relegation to keep interest from top to bottom.
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Let’s say we have a #3 Clemson vs #11 North Carolina matchup. If UNC wins, they’re in.
Name a single example that this has happened in the playoff era. Since the playoff started, every major conference has been dominated by 1 team in a manner not seen since the 90s or even before scholarship limits.
For the record, I actually think 8 is better than 4. It won’t really solve anything though. The 4 system took away the good of the bowl system without giving a real playoff.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:07 pm to RollTide1987
Nah, 8 would be far better than the BCS as long as at least one G5 gets an autobid. All conference champs and wild cards in a full playoff is still the ultimate goal however. Every other level of football does it so there is zero excuse to not have that in FBS. ESPN already destroyed bowl tradition and relevancy anyway so it's not like a full playoff is going to hurt anything. If anything it HELPS CFB b/c it gives far more fans a reason to care about the regular season.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:13 pm to Glorious
Football on the Left Coast is ovah
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:16 pm to RollTide1987
I don't think I want to expand the playoff, but if they do then we need to go to four power conferences and say frick the little guys. Allowing the #5-8 teams to be blown out every year would terrible for the sport. Four power conferences; take the champ and one at large from each conference. Jmo.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:16 pm to diddlydawg7
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Winning your conference should mean something.
Why? It's just a group of teams playing each other. They aren't equal, and winning your conference doesn't mean shite.
Conferences aren't even setup to decide such things either. The divisions aren't equal and it's not the best 2 teams that make the championship game. Not to mention it COMPLETELY ignores everything out of conference.
Hell Georgia and Alabama lost to Auburn a few years ago. Georgia gets the rematch. Is it because Georgia did anything to earn it over Alabama? No Georgia played in an easier division and had a worse loss. But they got the rematch because of just how teams are divided up.
Which is guess what? Just another form of AQ fricking things up.
Not to mention winning a conference like the Pac doesn't mean shite.
If a conference champion can't make the top8, there's a good fricking reason for it.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:17 pm to Dr RC
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Every other level of football does it so there is zero excuse to not have that in FBS.
You can’t compare the NFL and High School to college football and of the college football levels, only DII has more parity.
I think the only good systems are either - no playoff or a large one. 4 or 8 don’t include enough teams.
Even at 8, undefeated Coastal Carolina still doesn’t make it, so what were they playing for if all that matters is the playoff?
If we’re going to go down the path of all that matters is the playoff, it’d be better for it to be a large 24 team one where every conference gets a team in, and everyone gets several mulligans a year.
The problem is right now people are straddling a bowl/playoff system fence, and we’ve gotten the worst system in CFB history. No one likes this system. They either miss the old system or want a larger one.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:19 pm to RollTide1987
Who gives a frick? Why are Bama fans skuurt?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:23 pm to RollTide1987
Josh pate is 100% correct.
The only problem with the BCS is that the #2 and #3 teams were debatable (thus the 4 team playoff that we have now).
Unfortunately, college football fans and media personalities are too dumb to realize that the only need for a playoff was to use the top 4 teams in order to make sure that the top 2 teams were actually included.
There is no debate that teams 5, 6, 7, or 8 are the top 2 teams in the country (or if there is, see my comment about the intellect of football fans and media).
The only problem with the BCS is that the #2 and #3 teams were debatable (thus the 4 team playoff that we have now).
Unfortunately, college football fans and media personalities are too dumb to realize that the only need for a playoff was to use the top 4 teams in order to make sure that the top 2 teams were actually included.
There is no debate that teams 5, 6, 7, or 8 are the top 2 teams in the country (or if there is, see my comment about the intellect of football fans and media).
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:23 pm to Nitro Express
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four power conferences and say frick the little guys. Allowing the #5-8 teams to be blown out every year would terrible for the sport.
The best “little guys” perform just as well if not better than the #5-8 P5 teams. Also having the mid and bottom tier P5 teams post losing records every year would be even worse for the sport.
I shut off Alabama’s game against the #5 team in the 3rd quarter this past year. The gap between the top 4 and the rest of P5 is significantly larger than the gap between the P5 and G5.
This post was edited on 3/9/21 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:32 pm to RollTide1987
It’s all bullshite
If you’re not in the top 4 you don’t belong
Unless you want to give bama another mulligan
If you’re not in the top 4 you don’t belong
Unless you want to give bama another mulligan
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:47 pm to Smokeyone
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No expansion.
How convenient
Posted on 3/9/21 at 5:48 pm to 3down10
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AQ is shitty.
Then what's the point of conferences?
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:17 pm to VADawg
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Then what's the point of conferences?
The problem is the conferences are so woefully unbalanced as far as parity goes. The SEC is stacked like a motherfricker. If it's AQ, there's no incentive for Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Florida, and a rotating cast of a sometimes hot fifth team to all compete in the same conference. The SEC #3/4 might beat both the Pac 12 and Big 12 champion. And then there's the whole awkward nonsense of the G5 conferences. They're such an afterthought that the official name for them is Group of Five. As in, "these are the Five Powers That Be, and here are a Collective of Five Others That Also Exist." G5 is the real D2. FCS is the real D3. We have to stop pretending that a G5 team belongs in the playoff, because it's honestly just kind of cruel to a Boise State/UCF/Cincinnati dynasty to tease them like that.
College football is an enigma that's becoming unfun to watch if you're a fan of anything other than the top ten teams. There are only 12 games, so you can't afford any slip-ups. The sport is so hard on the body that you can't really add very many more games to make a loss more forgiving. There's rampant disparity, so a legitimate national championship team might lose to a lesser team on a bad day, but they're not going to slip up and lose to a 2–10 Illinois and be like "well, I guess that's just how is it sometimes" like in baseball or basketball.
If we're doing AQ, there needs to be major conference realignments. No one wants to watch the Pac 12 champion get rewarded for no reason other than they're the best of the worst, and watch them get bent over by Alabama or Ohio State when that slot could have been occupied by a team who could have kept the game within two TDs in the fourth quarter, only that team doesn't get to play that game because they're also in the SEC or Big Ten.
The game has become entirely too top heavy, and unless that gets solved somehow, I don't see how the problem is going away.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:32 pm to diddlydawg7
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Winning your conference should mean something.
I does. It means you're a conference champion. That's all it means. Period.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 6:34 pm to RollTide1987
Four teams is enough. No more.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:14 pm to RollTide1987
No expansion. Teams that can't finish in the top 4 either couldn't take care of business or played a shite schedule
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:26 pm to TomRollTideRitter
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All of these are minor complaints though. The #1 complaint is that it’s the same teams every year. Going to 8 does nothing to change that except adding a round where those same teams run some teams.
You are forgetting the legit complain of non playoff bowl opt outs. A bigger playoff helps curb that.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:30 pm to djsdawg
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You are forgetting the legit complain of non playoff bowl opt outs. A bigger playoff helps curb that.
Players have opted out for an entire season. It wont stop opt outs.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:33 pm to djsdawg
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A bigger playoff helps curb that.
It also increases the risk of injury by lengthening the season. These kids aren't professionals even if they are sometimes treated by the media as such. They still have to attend class and have lives outside of football. We can't expect these guys to play a 12-game season in the SEC to be followed immediately by the SEC Championship Game and another three or four games (against the best teams in America) piled on after Championship Weekend.
Truth be told, I'd favor a return to the college football we knew and loved pre-BCS before I'd favor playoff expansion.
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