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2019 proves 4 teams are enough in CFP
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:41 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:41 am
Any team in the hypothetical 5th-8th spots would have been cannon fodder for the top 3. Since the formation of the playoff, the correct 4 teams have been selected and the best team has won. The fact that we have 5 conferences vying for 4 spots means that no one can just cruise through a season on autopilot and adds some excitement to the last few weeks of the season/Championship week.
They do need to shorten the gap between the Semis and the Final, and play the game on a Saturday night. Other than that, I think we have a system that has been proven to work.
Discuss.
They do need to shorten the gap between the Semis and the Final, and play the game on a Saturday night. Other than that, I think we have a system that has been proven to work.
Discuss.
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:43 am to VFL1800FPD
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The fact that we have 5 conferences vying for 4 spots means that no one can just cruise through a season on autopilot
Clemson does it every year.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:47 am to VFL1800FPD
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Any team in the hypothetical 5th-8th spots would have been cannon fodder for the top 3
Agreed. 4 of the last 8 semifinal games have had a spread of 12 or more. Why should we expand? 9-3 teams would get in occasionally.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:51 am to VFL1800FPD
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2019 proves 4 teams are enough in CFP
Well this statement is false, but the conclusion is accurate. One year does not a proving point make... but on the whole, it's rare for there to be more than 2-3 deserving teams for a natty anyways. Think back to the BCS era even... how often was there really a 4th or 5th place team where you said, "yeah they really deserved a shot". It was almost always 2 + 1?...
Expanding the playoffs to 8 would be a huge mistake. Expanding to 6 would be "acceptable" as sort of a play-in for those final 2 spots, but realistically is pretty unnecessary.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:53 am to VFL1800FPD
I like 4 but I think they should use the BCS formula to determine the top 4 and the correct order.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:10 am to fibonaccisquared
There have been many years where there was a thirds team in the conversation. I can’t think of many years I was concerned about the forth team missing out. I don’t like byes because it is too big of an advantage in this very physical sport. Four teams and retaining the conference championships is great.
I always thought the 2001 team could have beat anyone at the end of the season, though the early losses may have kept them out of the four.
I always thought the 2001 team could have beat anyone at the end of the season, though the early losses may have kept them out of the four.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:18 am to VFL1800FPD
don't agree at all. I want the right team to win the title, and I dont want that to not happen simply because a room of 13 old suits made a mistake. This year worked out well, but the committee was going to put in Utah until the last week of the year when we finally found out they were a fraud. Even after the semifinals its not clear if Oklahoma or Oregon was actually the 4th best team, possibly even Wisconsin.
The long gap was due to the calendar, I dont really think its worth complaining about. I will agree, Im all for a Saturday night game though. The NFL can move up their Saturday playoff kickoffs to accommodate.
The long gap was due to the calendar, I dont really think its worth complaining about. I will agree, Im all for a Saturday night game though. The NFL can move up their Saturday playoff kickoffs to accommodate.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:31 am to BearBait09
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don't agree at all. I want the right team to win the title, and I dont want that to not happen simply because a room of 13 old suits made a mistake. This year worked out well, but the committee was going to put in Utah until the last week of the year when we finally found out they were a fraud. Even after the semifinals its not clear if Oklahoma or Oregon was actually the 4th best team, possibly even Wisconsin.
The long gap was due to the calendar, I dont really think its worth complaining about. I will agree, Im all for a Saturday night game though. The NFL can move up their Saturday playoff kickoffs to accommodate
That will never happen
TV Ad Rates for Monday Nite Prime Time are much higher per 30 second Ad than the cost for a 30 second Ad on a Saturday nite which is the cheapest time slots that TV has to offer
Are you allergic to maximizing profit
You wanna move it Sat nite, then demand that all those Welfare Sports generate their own Money to at least a break-even level and then you can think about playing the CFP-CG on a Saturday night
I already know about the SB, but SB Sunday has been a long standing tradition and is the exception to the rule, in fact most Americans consider SB Sunday an American Holiday
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:32 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Nope. It's the opposite.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:36 am to Tigerman97
Explain
Tell me the real reason it's played on a Monday night
Tell me the real reason it's played on a Monday night
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:41 am to Forty Arpent
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they should use the BCS formula
You mean using the Harris Interactive Poll and the USA Today Coaches Poll to determine seeding?
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:43 am to BearBait09
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don't agree at all. I want the right team to win the title, and I dont want that to not happen simply because a room of 13 old suits made a mistake. This year worked out well, but the committee was going to put in Utah until the last week of the year when we finally found out they were a fraud. Even after the semifinals its not clear if Oklahoma or Oregon was actually the 4th best team, possibly even Wisconsin.
That's just because this year there was the top 3 teams and then everyone else. It didn't matter what team you put at 4, the results would have been the same. It's not like Oregon, Utah, Wisconsin, UGA, or even Bama really had a shot at winning the title.
I can't think of any year where a team that was left out of the CFP would have had a legitimate shot at winning it. That's not to say that it won't happen....just that it hasn't yet.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:47 am to VFL1800FPD
Good thing upsets never happen in the NFL, MLB, Omaha, Big Dance etc lol.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:15 am to 20 ton
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There have been many years where there was a thirds team in the conversation. I can’t think of many years I was concerned about the forth team missing out. I don’t like byes because it is too big of an advantage in this very physical sport. Four teams and retaining the conference championships is great.
Like I said. expanding isn't necessary... If you do it, 6 would be "acceptable" in that typically the top 2 teams *are* deserving of an advantage. If you're in the 3-6 spots and you want a Natty, go grind out the extra game..
8 would most likely give us 3 bad football games and possibly 1 extra good one.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:36 am to VFL1800FPD
The CFP Chairman is on record this past week stating flatly that there are six years left on the current contract, and they are "not in a hurry" to change the format.
The article is behind a pay wall on The Athletic. I refuse to link paid content.
ETA: They need to keep the committee but add in the BCS formula and weight both equally. This allows for more input in the process, and would do a much better job of setting the NY6 bowls. The Committee has put the Best 4 in the playoffs every time, but they suck beyond that.
The article is behind a pay wall on The Athletic. I refuse to link paid content.
ETA: They need to keep the committee but add in the BCS formula and weight both equally. This allows for more input in the process, and would do a much better job of setting the NY6 bowls. The Committee has put the Best 4 in the playoffs every time, but they suck beyond that.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:40 am to VFL1800FPD
I like the Monday night game. If anything it keeps the game in the spotlight. If it were on Saturday night, we’d be done talking about it by Sunday morning and on to the NFL.
It was a long gap though.
It was a long gap though.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:45 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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they should use the BCS formula
You mean using the Harris Interactive Poll and the USA Today Coaches Poll to determine seeding?
Some agreed upon metric using computers, or maybe a composite using the AP, BCS, coaches poll and whatever else seems reasonable. As long as it's not some panel of 13 people who can change criteria with no explanation or logic.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:23 pm to Forty Arpent
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As long as it's not some panel of...people who can change criteria with no explanation or logic.
That's pretty much what the BCS was.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:29 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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As long as it's not some panel of...people who can change criteria with no explanation or logic.
That's pretty much what the BCS was.
BCS
Harris - 105 voters +
Coaches - 62 voters +
Six computer rankings
This is nowhere near the arbitrary logic of 13 people.
On top of the original BCS, I would throw in the AP poll to compile the formula for determining the 4 playoff contenders and their seedings.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:36 pm to VFL1800FPD
Agreed. Although I disagree with the cannon fodder metaphor. Its not just unnecessary its detrimental. It could cause injuries to key players on the best teams and will definitely hurt the bowls.
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