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southernboisb
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re: 12 teams evens the field
& you're doing WHAT with your schedule?

This sounds like the complaints against the SEC on when they play non-conf. games.....NOBODY said you only had a specific time-frame to use for them.


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JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Alabama Fan
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
6847 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
Good ole auburn

Yella Fella needs to pony up mo money for Big Cat weekend like the days of Trupa and Lupa.


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reel_gator8
Florida Fan
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Member since May 2012
10867 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
Leave it at 4 teams. You expand it and the 13th rated team that didnt make the playoffs will complain. Just be good enough and be one of 4 teams selected.

No one thinks things out....travel> do you really think folks are going to load the stadiums in California to watch N Carolina vs Louisiana if they are 11th and 12th rated? If you do home games it would be a joke. Bowl games would disappear and the bowl sponsors.


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geauxcoco
LSU Fan
Greenville, SC
Member since Apr 2007
7959 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
Clemson, Bama, Ok, Ohio St....we’re already able to guarantee it. Let’s be honest. Those are the usual conference winners as of late. Now more schools can finally say you can have a shot at the playoffs. Eventually some dark horses will pull it off and more success will be spread around. That’s called parity which this sport desperately needs.
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BLG
Alabama Fan
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Member since Mar 2018
2588 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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If you think Dabo and Saban are sitting in their office cheering this then you’re mistaken.

Now they have to buckle up and play more SEC teams in the playoffs instead of weak arse Oklahoma or Notre Dame.


If you think Auburn will get a spot before Notre Dame and Oklahoma then you're delusional. For that matter, Notre Dame and especially OU would kick Auburn's arse most years.


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Talon95
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re: 12 teams evens the field
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Instead of the typical first round matchup vs Oklahoma or Notre Dame, the playoff usuals will instead get LSU/Georgia/Auburn etc. and have to win 3 playoff games instead of two.



Auburn still wouldnt get into it.


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C Nite
Alabama Fan
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Member since Dec 2020
1898 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
No it doesn't. It just offers more fat on the meat.


Tigerman97
Auburn Fan
Member since Jun 2014
9309 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
It absolutely needs to be expanded. There needs to be an objective way for each major conference to get into the playoff. Then leave a few beauty pageant mulligans for the teams everyone knows are good and drive tv dollars. The last spot is for the best of the little guys so you can occasionally see an upset of Goliath proportion. The current format sucks, the BCS sucked and who'd of thunk the bowl system which sucked was the best of the 3.

You have to find a way to offer an objective goal or college football will remain a competition, not a sport. This isn't figure skating or gymnastics or a cheerleading competition.
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BamaGradinTn
Alabama Fan
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
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re: 12 teams evens the field
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Gone are the days where only Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State can consistently offer recruits to be part of the playoffs.


Alabama can consistently offer 5 star recruits that statistically they are more than twice as likely to get drafted in the first round from Alabama than anywhere else. That won't change even if you expand the playoffs to 32. That's what really draws recruits.
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BamaGradinTn
Alabama Fan
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re: 12 teams evens the field
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There needs to be an objective way for each major conference to get into the playoff.


No such way exists. There is no objective way to determine if a Pac-12 schedule is stronger than a Big 12 schedule.


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Tigerman97
Auburn Fan
Member since Jun 2014
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re: 12 teams evens the field
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There is no objective way to determine if a Pac-12 schedule is stronger than a Big 12 schedule.



I'm not sure you understand what objective means. At the beginning of the season every team should know if we do X we will get in. Other than independents and that would be their own choice the new format would mean every school knows that if they win their conference they are in...doesn't matter if they are good enough, etc...just reward a team that accomplishes an objective goal. Then sprinkle in the good teams that need a mulligan.
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futbolisbetter
US Space Force Fan
Member since Dec 2020
287 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
You have to realize that teams like auburn and other mediocre programs are always looking for a handout for something they didnt earn.

Now teams like Bama and tOSU will be in every year. I fancy a Bama with 2 or 3 losses over any G5 program no matter the season. The rich are just going to get richer


VABuckeye
Ohio State Fan
Oak Hill, VA
Member since Dec 2007
29586 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Alabama can consistently offer 5 star recruits that statistically they are more than twice as likely to get drafted in the first round from Alabama than anywhere else


I'd like to see that statistic vs Ohio State's 5 star recruits. I think both programs develop talent very well.


Tigerman97
Auburn Fan
Member since Jun 2014
9309 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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You have to realize that teams like auburn
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are always looking for a handout for something they didnt earn.


Hasn't Auburn historically played the most difficult SEC schedule for the better part of 80 years?


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BamaGradinTn
Alabama Fan
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
21822 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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I'm not sure you understand what objective means.


I'm an English teacher, kid.

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At the beginning of the season every team should know if we do X we will get in.


They already know that...be ranked in the top 4 of the CFP poll.

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Then sprinkle in the good teams that need a mulligan.


Thanks for demonstrating which of us really has no clue what the term "objective" means.



Tigerman97
Auburn Fan
Member since Jun 2014
9309 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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They already know that...be ranked in the top 4 of the CFP poll.


That's not objective. It's a beauty pageant. It's subjective...as an English teacher I suspect you know this difference.

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Thanks for demonstrating which of us really has no clue what the term "objective" means.


I recognize much like the NCAA basketball tournament the money people will never run the risk of leaving out the dollar makers so an aspect of it must be subjective. I'd prefer it be a smaller part of the equation and not the whole. It wouldn't bother me if a mulligan team like bama gets in and wins it all. So long as all the teams the accomplished the objective goal got a shot.
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armytide373
Alabama Fan
Member since May 2009
8323 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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12 teams evens the field

Sounds great on the macro-level of overall CFB Fandom.

But, at the micro-level, especially among traditionally competitive teams, it is a lot of unnecessary risk. The thought of a star player breaking an ankle in a 65-3 game vs "non-P5 champ U" just to make them feel included is ridiculous to me.

I'd rather see conference championship games go away if this is the future or the regular season return to 10 games. 16 football games to win a CFB title is dumb and significantly increases risk factor for injuries to impact players.

Aside from that, the bowl season that I used to love will be complete garbage, as no one will watch and not a "draftable" JR/SR will play.

That said, again, the 12 team playoff will be a major hit and must watch TV. Just the thought of extra games that open the door for BS fluke wins or team altering injuries in blowouts is dumb.

There isn't enough parity in major CFB to make a broad playoffs worth the risk. In fact, that is the root of the problem the "expansion" group is trying to solve, but they are missing the mark. FBS is TOO large. Cap somewhere between 60-80 teams in 5 major conferences and then let's talk CFP expansion in a 6-8 team playoff with conf champs and "at large" teams.


BamaGradinTn
Alabama Fan
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
21822 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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I'd like to see that statistic vs Ohio State's 5 star recruits. I think both programs develop talent very well.



According to this article, apparently 30%...3 out of 10...who signed with OSU from 2011 to 2017.

According to this article,...

2021...4 five stars drafted, only 1 in the first round.
2020...2 five stars drafted, both in the first round.
2019...1 five star drafted, and in the first round.
2018...No five stars drafted
2017...1 five star drafted, not in the 1st.
2016...3 five stars drafted, none in the first
2015...No five stars drafted.
2014...No five stars drafted.
2013...No five stars drafted.

That's 4 out of 11...36%. It doesn't count five stars that may have left the program. That's pretty good, but Alabama is 48.8% of 41 draft eligible five stars since 2008.


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Tigerman97
Auburn Fan
Member since Jun 2014
9309 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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The thought of a star player breaking an ankle


Man, what would it be like to have a star player get injured and cost yourself a shot in the playoffs?


BamaGradinTn
Alabama Fan
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
21822 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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That's not objective. It's a beauty pageant. It's subjective...as an English teacher I suspect you know this difference.



Hey, dumbass, you're the one who said..."I'm not sure you understand what objective means. At the beginning of the season every team should know if we do X we will get in." Knowing what's expected ahead of time doesn't make it fricking objective.

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It wouldn't bother me if a mulligan team like bama gets in and wins it all.


Try to find a couple of brain cells to rub together and explain how giving certain teams a mulligan is "objective".

I get that I'm dealing with a youngster here, but objective is the MLB, NBA, NHL, where everyone plays everyone during the season and the same number of teams from each conference gets in the playoffs. That's objective, sonny. There's no way to objectively rank the conferences when they don't play the same teams. Anyone who has followed sports for more than 15 minutes understands that.
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