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sta4ever
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Member since Aug 2014
6733 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
It’s the first move towards a Power 5 league


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3rddownonthe8
Georgia Fan
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
3335 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
Actually Alabama would have still missed the playoffs in 2019. They were ranked 13th and Auburn was 12th; both would have been jumped by # 17 Memphis as the 6th highest ranked Conf champ.

Also.. since the inception of the CFP, the #1 team has won the title twice, 2019 and 2020.

number of titles by ranking..
#1 - 2 (19,20)
#2 - 3 (15,16,18)… these are the only years #1 played #2
#3 - 0
#4 - 2 (14,17)

Who’s to say a hot team could get there from another spot.
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TideSaint
Alabama Fan
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
64739 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Let's address parity first. Since the 4 team playoff was implemented, a whopping THREE of the 14 semifinal games have been decided by less than 10 points.

You aren't introducing parity, you're just giving more teams the chance to get their teeth kicked in by the teams that really belong.

Now let's address the 'great pitch.'

Clemson, Alabama, and Ohio State have missed the playoffs a combined 5 times. With a 12 team playoff, that number would be 0. Going further, if a 12 team playoff had existed since Saban's arrival at Alabama, after his first season they would have only been at risk of missing the playoffs once (2010).

A 12 team playoff won't let Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State offer recruits a chance to be part of the playoffs, it will let them guarantee recruits they'll be part of the playoffs.

Just remember what you asked for because you're going to hate it when you get it.


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JustGetItRight


This guy fricks.


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GusAU
Auburn Fan
Member since Mar 2014
1878 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Just remember what you asked for because you're going to hate it when you get it.

Yea, teams that will now make the playoffs that wouldn’t have before are damn sure going to hate it...



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TrueLefty
Missouri Fan
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
6859 posts
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re: 12 teams evens the field
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The recruiting disparity will shrink as the wealth is spread to 8 more teams being allowed in.


You had a coaching staff full of lazy recruiters. If that’s changed your classes will improve.

This year I didn't see any improvement so far from Harsin's recruiting class.


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Purple Tiger King
LSU Fan
Member since Jan 2021
404 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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12 teams evens the field



No it doesn't. 12 team playoff or 4 team playoff, it doesn't matter. The same teams who always finish in the top five in recruiting year after year, Alabama, Clemson, UGA, LSU, and Ohio State, will still win all the national championships.

Well, maybe I should have left off UGA, since they can't win a natty for nothing and no matter how much they cheat in recruiting.



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bigDgator
Florida Fan
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
27151 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Not really, will still be those teams that actually win it.


So if it won’t be any different why are Bama fans adamantly against it?


TrueLefty
Missouri Fan
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
6859 posts
 Online 

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Not really, will still be those teams that actually win it.


So if it won’t be any different why are Bama fans adamantly against it?



Bama will lose some recruits because more teams will make it and recruits will get to start and be in the playoff as well and not have to be at Alabama to get there!


3down10
Alabama Fan
Member since Sep 2014
12194 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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The recruiting disparity will shrink as the wealth is spread to 8 more teams being allowed in.


You seem to think making the playoffs is the same as winning the playoffs.

It's not. Nobody gave a shite that Washington or Michigan St made the playoffs.


bigDgator
Florida Fan
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
27151 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
The only reason that matters to me is that the bowl games have become a farce with the opting out. The most important games need to be at the end of the season and not some silly consultation games.


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bigDgator
Florida Fan
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
27151 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
Really then why do basketball teams hang final 4 banners when they don’t win a championship? It does matter.


RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
776 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
I don’t think you get it. A 12 team playoff does nothing but help the rest of college football including the G5 while hurting both the SEC and the most important and meaningful regular season in sports.

The other conferences already know that the SEC will be the best most competitive Conference most every year. They know it’s a bloodbath every year. So they will schedule very easy OOC schedules knowing that they will get 1 game a year inside their own league that will count as a top win on a resume. The rest of the time it’s just about not messing up and losing in conference to the teams you should beat if you are a top 12 team. Meanwhile the SEC is having to slug it out against each other and even a top team can get upset by the bottom of the SEC on any given Saturday if that top team doesn’t bring it every week. So no this isn’t good for the SEC or the game. And once the playoffs start if 2,3,4, or more teams get in then you will end up with a lot of SEC teams involved in rematches against one another and we all know how hard it is to beat another team twice in the same year but against another SEC school it extremely hard. So the other leagues will sit back take it as easy as possible in the regular season and hope the SEC eats one another. Onace the playoffs start it actually benefits the rest of the field to have 3 or 4 SEC teams in it because another SEC team can knock off Bama, UGA, or Fl a lot easier than a non SEC school can except for maybe Clemson. So as long as you are in the field you want multiple SEC teams in playing rematches against each other. If you are Clemson or Ohio St you want Bama and UGA beating up on each other a second time while you play some G5 team. And I can promise you that the committee will put 2 SEC schools in a rematch game every chance they get.


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SmokeTide
Alabama Fan
Gulf Coast Alabama
Member since Nov 2015
3775 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Bama will lose some recruits because more teams will make it and recruits will get to start and be in the playoff as well and not have to be at Alabama to get there!


I can't wait for teams like Missouri or Iowa to be having dream seasons and have zo face out off against a pissed 11th or 12th seed LSU, tOSU, Clemson or Bama then talk about it wasn't fair match up.


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RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
776 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
The thing about it is though do you want to see the best team win it all or the hottest team win it all. The hot team might be ok for March Madness and CB. But in the game of football it’s just not right. In football the team that takes care of business every week should have a shot at winning it all not some 2-3 loss team that played in the Big 12, PAC 12, or some G5 team that really didn’t play a hard schedule they just got hot at the right time.


GusAU
Auburn Fan
Member since Mar 2014
1878 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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But in the game of football it’s just not right. In football the team that takes care of business every week should have a shot at winning it all

How would a 12 team playoff change that?

Wouldn't that team still have a shot to win it all?


Yaz 8
Member since Jun 2020
175 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
The funniest thing I this thread is LSU and Auburn fans accusing other teams of cheating.


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RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
776 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
Well should a team that’s lost 2-3 games already in a season be rewarded with a chance to play for the National Title Against teams that are still undefeated or have 1 loss against much tougher competition in some cases? Also you are setting up the potential for to many rematches. And if the Conf Title Games are kept you could set up a possibility of certain teams playing 3 times in a year. If you use last year as an example it would have been possible for Bama and UGA to have played 3 times. That’s ridiculous. If Bama or UGA had already beat the other twice then why should either team have to beat the other one more time to advance in the playoffs. That’s just not right. And say Bama wins twice against UGA in the Reg season and SECCG and both teams make it to the NC game and Bama loses that game then how is that fair? Bama would have a winning record against UGA but still not be the champs. It makes no sense. People got all bent out of shape when Bama won the NC as a 4 seed and wasn’t a Conf Champ and went on to win it all. But at least that year Bama and UGA had not played during the season. It would be outrageous though for a team to miss out on being a Champ because they lost to a team they have already beaten twice that year and have a winning record against no matter what they do in that game. This is just a bad idea and could turn out to be even more unfair than the system we currently have.


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3rddownonthe8
Georgia Fan
Atlanta, GA
Member since Aug 2011
3335 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
The problem is College football is subjective and based on assumptions. There are 130 FBS teams and they play a 12 game schedule. Not to mention some schools still play FCS teams and some only play 1 OOC P5 opponent. While some conferences play 9 Conf games others play 8. There are times the hottest team is the best team, but a stumble in September keeps them out of the title race. This eliminates that. This also gets rid of that grey area between #4 to # 6.
In 2017, Bama got in over tOSU, but a good argument was made for both. However one team played 9 Conf games the other only 8. One team lost twice to OU and Iowa , the other best Mercer an FCS team in its 6th year of football since the 1940’s. This lets it get settled by players, not voters.

The lowest percentage of teams in any sport in any league pro or amateur; to make the playoffs other than college football is college basketball ball at 18%. This gets CFB from 3% to 9%.


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Smokeyone
Tennessee Fan
Maryville Tn
Member since Jul 2016
4126 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
You mean the teams that earned a spot by winning? Leveling the playing field for those that can’t compete instead of getting better they just want the standards relaxed. Damn Democrats


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HailToTheChiz
Auburn Fan
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
39689 posts

re: 12 teams evens the field
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Just remember what you asked for because you're going to hate it when you get it.


I don't recall many fans asking for 12 games


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