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Baseball Aficionados – Analyze this Scenario
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:05 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:05 am
Texas Rangers playing the Astros in Houston. Verlander has pitched a perfect game through 8 2/3 innings and is facing the 27th batter in Joey Gallo. Gallo hits a screamer into the gap, the ball eludes the outfielders and Gallo races home with an inside-the-park homerun to give the Rangers a 1-0 lead.
During the play, Verlander drops to his knees with obvious back pain. The Astros bring in Will Harris to try to get the final out. Harris throws as many warm-up pitches as he needs. The umpire puts a ball in play and tosses it to Harris. Harris steps on the rubber, then throws to first on an appeal. The first base umpire calls Gallo out for failing to touch first base. The side is retired without Harris throwing a pitch to the batter and the score reverts back to 0-0.
Bregman leads off the bottom of the ninth with a homerun and the Astros win 1-0.
Harris gets the win. He was the pitcher of record when the Astros went ahead. What about Verlander? Does he get credit for a perfect game – he faced 27 batters and none officially reached first base.
During the play, Verlander drops to his knees with obvious back pain. The Astros bring in Will Harris to try to get the final out. Harris throws as many warm-up pitches as he needs. The umpire puts a ball in play and tosses it to Harris. Harris steps on the rubber, then throws to first on an appeal. The first base umpire calls Gallo out for failing to touch first base. The side is retired without Harris throwing a pitch to the batter and the score reverts back to 0-0.
Bregman leads off the bottom of the ninth with a homerun and the Astros win 1-0.
Harris gets the win. He was the pitcher of record when the Astros went ahead. What about Verlander? Does he get credit for a perfect game – he faced 27 batters and none officially reached first base.
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Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:11 am to blueridgeTiger
oooh, interesting question.
My guess is no for Verlander.
My guess is no for Verlander.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:12 am to blueridgeTiger
The 27 batters and none reaching doesn't matter- that's happened before and the team lost in the 10th...no perfect game.
It's hard to believe that you can have a perfect game and not be credited with a W....I would have to say no.
It's hard to believe that you can have a perfect game and not be credited with a W....I would have to say no.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:13 am to blueridgeTiger
Gallo batting 9 hole?
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:14 am to blueridgeTiger
Wouldn’t Harris receive an assist for the appeal? If so then no perfect game for Verlander IMO
I don’t think it would count either way though
I don’t think it would count either way though
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:15 am to JukeLeft
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Gallo batting 9 hole?
Humor me - pinch hitter.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:17 am to blueridgeTiger
Trick question. Gets a bj from Kate and gets to blast on those huge knockers after the game to help his back pain. He gets a W for sure.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:18 am to blueridgeTiger
My question, does that make Harris a pitcher of record without ever throwing a pitch?
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:22 am to blueridgeTiger
quote:
Texas Rangers playing the Astros in Houston. Verlander has pitched a perfect game through 8 2/3 innings and is facing the 27th batter in Joey Gallo. Gallo hits a screamer into the gap, the ball eludes the outfielders and Gallo races home with an inside-the-park homerun to give the Rangers a 1-0 lead.
During the play, Verlander drops to his knees with obvious back pain. The Astros bring in Will Harris to try to get the final out. Harris throws as many warm-up pitches as he needs. The umpire puts a ball in play and tosses it to Harris. Harris steps on the rubber, then throws to first on an appeal. The first base umpire calls Gallo out for failing to touch first base. The side is retired without Harris throwing a pitch to the batter and the score reverts back to 0-0.
Bregman leads off the bottom of the ninth with a homerun and the Astros win 1-0.
Harris gets the win. He was the pitcher of record when the Astros went ahead. What about Verlander? Does he get credit for a perfect game – he faced 27 batters and none officially reached first base.
damn...that's a hell of a question lol. i have no clue.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:24 am to blueridgeTiger
It would go down as a combined perfect game.
Rule 9.02 (c) (1) If a relief pitcher enters a game and his team initiates a successful appeal play that results in one out, the officer scorer shall credit such relief pitcher with 1/3 of an inning pitched.
ETA: Furthermore, Rule 9.06(d): (d) When the batter, after making a safe hit, is called out for having failed to touch a base, the last base the batter reached safely
shall determine if the Official Scorer shall credit him with a one-base hit, a two-base hit or a three-base hit. If a batter-runner is called out after missing home plate, the Official Scorer shall credit him with a three-base hit. If a batter-runner is called out for missing third base, the Official Scorer shall credit him with a two-base hit. If a batter-runner is called out for missing second base, the Official Scorer shall credit him with a onebase hit. If a batter-runner is called out for missing first base, the Official Scorer shall charge him with a time at bat, but no hit.
Also betting, in this scenario if they saw the runner miss the base, then the SP would stay out for the appeal.
Rule 9.02 (c) (1) If a relief pitcher enters a game and his team initiates a successful appeal play that results in one out, the officer scorer shall credit such relief pitcher with 1/3 of an inning pitched.
ETA: Furthermore, Rule 9.06(d): (d) When the batter, after making a safe hit, is called out for having failed to touch a base, the last base the batter reached safely
shall determine if the Official Scorer shall credit him with a one-base hit, a two-base hit or a three-base hit. If a batter-runner is called out after missing home plate, the Official Scorer shall credit him with a three-base hit. If a batter-runner is called out for missing third base, the Official Scorer shall credit him with a two-base hit. If a batter-runner is called out for missing second base, the Official Scorer shall credit him with a onebase hit. If a batter-runner is called out for missing first base, the Official Scorer shall charge him with a time at bat, but no hit.
Also betting, in this scenario if they saw the runner miss the base, then the SP would stay out for the appeal.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:25 am to VinegarStrokes
It would be a combined no-hitter I think as Harris is pitcher of record on last out, as he was announced.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 10:25 am to blueridgeTiger
No perfect game for Verlander in the scenario:
MLB Rule 10.02(c)(1)
Comment: In computing innings pitched, the official scorer shall count each putout as ? of an inning. For example, if a starting pitcher is replaced with one out in the sixth inning, the official scorer shall credit that pitcher with 5? innings. If a starting pitcher is replaced with none out in the sixth inning, the official scorer shall credit that pitcher with 5 innings and make the notation that that pitcher faced _____ batters in the sixth, noting the number of batters faced. If a relief pitcher retires two batters and is replaced, the official scorer shall credit that pitcher with ? of an inning pitched. If a relief pitcher enters a game and his team initiates a successful appeal play that results in one out, the officer scorer shall credit such relief pitcher with ? of an inning pitched.
MLB Rule 10.02(c)(1)
Comment: In computing innings pitched, the official scorer shall count each putout as ? of an inning. For example, if a starting pitcher is replaced with one out in the sixth inning, the official scorer shall credit that pitcher with 5? innings. If a starting pitcher is replaced with none out in the sixth inning, the official scorer shall credit that pitcher with 5 innings and make the notation that that pitcher faced _____ batters in the sixth, noting the number of batters faced. If a relief pitcher retires two batters and is replaced, the official scorer shall credit that pitcher with ? of an inning pitched. If a relief pitcher enters a game and his team initiates a successful appeal play that results in one out, the officer scorer shall credit such relief pitcher with ? of an inning pitched.
Posted on 7/22/19 at 1:50 pm to blueridgeTiger
quote:
Harris gets the win. He was the pitcher of record when the Astros went ahead. What about Verlander? Does he get credit for a perfect game – he faced 27 batters and none officially reached first base.
Wouldn't Gallo's ball still be considered a hit though?
never mind, see the rule above.
This post was edited on 7/22/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/22/19 at 7:15 pm to colorchangintiger
Pretty sure it's not a perfect game or a no hitter... Think of a guy who gets thrown out at a base after a hit. He still gets credit for it
Posted on 7/22/19 at 7:19 pm to ahunt1905
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My question, does that make Harris a pitcher of record without ever throwing a pitch?
it happened about 15 years ago, BJ Ryan with Baltimore
Posted on 7/23/19 at 6:20 am to chalmetteowl
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Pretty sure it's not a perfect game or a no hitter... Think of a guy who gets thrown out at a base after a hit. He still gets credit for it
That would be the case if the appeal was at second, third, or home.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:44 am to LSUBoo
during my research trying to find the answer to this question, I came across a scenario where a pitcher could receive both a win and a loss in the same game. talk about mind blown.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:49 am to VinegarStrokes
Has to involve a trade between two teams that had a game suspended and then resumed.
I know there have been times where players have played on both teams during the same game in that scenario.
I know there have been times where players have played on both teams during the same game in that scenario.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:38 am to LSUBoo
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Has to involve a trade between two teams that had a game suspended and then resumed.
I know there have been times where players have played on both teams during the same game in that scenario.
yep.
and I think the game would have had to play out in a way where PITCHER is losing a game prior to the bottom of the 5th inning, the game gets delayed, he gets traded, and then pitches for the other team while the leading team never loses the lead.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:58 am to VinegarStrokes
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and I think the game would have had to play out in a way where PITCHER is losing a game prior to the bottom of the 5th inning, the game gets delayed, he gets traded, and then pitches for the other team while the leading team never loses the lead.
Could also be that he was the pitcher of record for one team in a tie game, came in immediately for the other team once resumed and gave up runs to make himself the losing pitcher, but also the winning pitcher for the original team.
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