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re: Are bad coaching hires really to blame for Vol woes?

Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:11 am to
Posted by CatfishJohn
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:11 am to
No it wasn’t. He has plenty of notable accomplishments, including making Rutgers relevant which is miraculous.
Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:11 am to
You jest
Posted by Muthsera
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:23 am to
Top 5 players in TN for 2021:

#58 4 star Clemson
#91 4 star Michigan
#158 4 star Ohio State
#174 4 star Notre Dame
#205 4 star Clemson

There are already 12 4-stars in the 2022 Composite for next year, including the nation's #1 recruit.

Knoxville football is better, Memphis football is better, Murfreesboro football is better. The private schools in particular around the state started focusing more heavily around 10 years ago and the overall level of play has risen rapidly.

UT coaches haven't been able to lock down the best of the best though, and its critical that whomever the next HC is does so.
Posted by Vandyrone
Nashville, TN
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:24 am to
UT is in a death spiral perpetuated by bad coaching hires, awful ADs, a toxic program culture and grossly unrealistic fan expectations. They’ll likely never recover.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:37 am to
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They’ll likely never recover.


It will take a very special hire.

And running off Fulmer.
Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:40 am to
Agreed !

The Schiano and Al Golden coaches of the world aren’t the answer.
Posted by VFL1800FPD
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 8:58 am to
A few years ago I would have laughed this off. Now I tend to agree

But I don’t think the fans are the biggest issue. Loyalty is pretty high. It’s amazing UT still has fans at all.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 9:00 am
Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:02 am to
Stockholm Syndrome
Posted by VFL1800FPD
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:07 am to
I was a UT student from 2010-2014 and now I am back for grad school. In undergrad we thought we were at rock bottom. Now that I’m back, literally nothing has changed, and in fact it’s gotten worse. I don’t know what we can do to turn it around at this point, other than hire a Proven championship winning coach, which we won’t do.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 9:09 am
Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:09 am to
The AD has to find a Johnny Majors.



Posted by MarcusATLSU
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:17 am to
Tennessee will get better when Phil Fulmer is no longer in the picture. He is a cancer on the whole program. Has his fingers in too many places.
Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:19 am to
I begrudgingly agree.

I’m a Major’s guy but there’s always that National Championship.

The price has been high, though.
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:55 am to
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Someone will have to explain the euphoric dogma for Schiano’s coaching ability.


For one, Schiano took over a Rutgers team that hadn't won a conference game in three years and made them competitive in the Big 10 right away in year one. They beat Michigan State and probably should have beaten Michigan and Illinois. The final scores against top 10 Indiana and Ohio State teams were also fairly respectable. Schiano has massively improved the Rutgers football program from what they were in years past.
Posted by FiddleHead
Knoxville, TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 9:59 am to
Tennessee has consistently recruited pretty well the past few years. Sure, not good enough to be a contender but better than getting out scored 108-14 in the second half of the last 5 games.
Posted by auburn2eugene
Now back in Oneonta Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 10:21 am to
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If someone 20 years ago would have told you these 4 programs would be this bad, all at the same time, you would have laughed at them


Same with Clemson being an elite program
Posted by footswitch
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 10:35 am to
UT deserves it all. Karma has been made true.
Ol' Phil and Tennstud really made Bama pay didn't they!

Was it really worth it boys and girls? LMFAO!
Took Bama 10 years to shake off the effects of probation... Gonna be at least 20 for UT to wander through the desert. Feels good
Posted by Drydock
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 12:31 pm to
It's Fulmer y'know. He's

Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 12:41 pm to
Competive at Rutgers is a qualifier for elite success?

Al Golden receive your love as well?

Randy Edsall?

This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted by OrangeEmpire
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 12:41 pm to
Were getting close then, 2001 was the last elite team in Knoxville.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:42 pm to
Fulmer’s only interest is squeezing out every drop of praise from his championship team.
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