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Do our pass routes change during the play?
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:41 pm
I noticed a couple of plays during the Florida game where their DB blitzed but our pass route didn't change to take advantage of the open area and/or maybe get the receiver open sooner. I don't know how easy that is to do on the fly, but here are the plays I'm talking about.
On this play, the safety blitzes leaving the middle of the field open, but Robertson cuts outside instead of slanting across the middle area vacated by the safety. Looked like he'd have been immediately open if he cut inside since the coverage was 7 or 8 yards off and to his outside shoulder.
On this play, the cornerback blitzes, leaving safety coverage over Blaylock. Blaylock does an inside move before reversing and cutting outside, which gives the blitzing corner time to reach Fromm and gives the deeper safety time to close on Blaylock. This one happened fast so I'm not sure Blaylock recognized that it was a blitz.
On this play, the safety blitzes leaving the middle of the field open, but Robertson cuts outside instead of slanting across the middle area vacated by the safety. Looked like he'd have been immediately open if he cut inside since the coverage was 7 or 8 yards off and to his outside shoulder.
On this play, the cornerback blitzes, leaving safety coverage over Blaylock. Blaylock does an inside move before reversing and cutting outside, which gives the blitzing corner time to reach Fromm and gives the deeper safety time to close on Blaylock. This one happened fast so I'm not sure Blaylock recognized that it was a blitz.
This post was edited on 11/6/19 at 1:54 pm
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Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:51 pm to wdhalgren
Option routes are common but it requires the receiver to recognize the right option to run based on coverage and then they have to be on the same page as the QB.
I doubt we run many option routes with our inexperience and youth at the WR positions.
Just my opinion though
I doubt we run many option routes with our inexperience and youth at the WR positions.
Just my opinion though
Posted on 11/6/19 at 1:55 pm to LarryCulpepper
That's kind of what I figured. I think Fromm could handle that but not sure which receivers are ready to do it. The play with Robertson definitely looks like it could have worked out well if he'd changed his route.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:08 pm to wdhalgren
Wouldn't surprise me if they had Cager running the option routes and everyone else running static so they don't all run to the same spot.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:15 pm to deeprig9
Maybe so. I didn't think of that but you can't have everybody running optional routes on the same play.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 2:34 pm to LarryCulpepper
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Option routes
There is a difference between an option route and a hot read.
Semantics... I know.
The one over Blaylock could have a hot read built in. But that does take time to develop the chemistry with the QB.
Every route was an option route in the old run and shoot offense. It is pretty complicated for an OC, QB, and WR group to all be on the same page.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 3:38 pm to wdhalgren
It would explain why he's open more often. I haven't broken down the film with my staff yet.
Posted on 11/6/19 at 10:27 pm to wdhalgren
On the first pass, to Woerner, Fromm didn't lead him quite enough and Charlie had to slow down for the ball and the defender caught up just after he caught it.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:38 am to AlaCowboy
One thing Spurrier did a good job of pioneering at the college level was teaching route reads based on defenses. He killed our zone and we had issues keeping up with them in man. A lot of routes you see are based on defense. Some routes settle in soft spots. Some are meant to clear out a zone. It can be pretty complex at times. In general, if you see an INT thrown directly to a defender, it could very likely be that the QB correctly or incorrectly assumed the receiver was going to be moving to a spot in front of the defender. Not only could the routes change on coverage, blitzes in some cases call for adjustment. That has filtered down from the NFL as well. Of course, sometimes, it could just be a player not seeing/hearing the play correctly. It’s pretty difficult for us as fans to know what really went wrong when a route appears to not have been run correctly. Though overall, experience and continuity will make most receivers and QBs better at this facet as they mature. Each week, game planning adds new wrinkles based on the team you are playing, so it is really a constant learning process.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:42 am to Peter Buck
You also get exotic route concepts when your receivers have the wrong arm bands on.
This works best when you dont burn your timeouts and your QB plays where's Waldo looking for the open man.
This works best when you dont burn your timeouts and your QB plays where's Waldo looking for the open man.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:30 am to wdhalgren
UGA has a lot of option routes, I believe. While a Fromm has had some outright misses, more than a few of his bigger "mistakes" have been in situations where the young receiver made the wrong read.
Offensive staff has to make sure these young guys get up to speed faster than they have been. There's nothing worse for this team than leaving the more talented receivers on the bench because they're not yet able to effectively execute. Gotta coach them up faster.
Offensive staff has to make sure these young guys get up to speed faster than they have been. There's nothing worse for this team than leaving the more talented receivers on the bench because they're not yet able to effectively execute. Gotta coach them up faster.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 3:46 pm to Peter Buck
That last cager td looked like option route, as soon as the safety went down cager moved out, waved at fromm, TD.
But like peter said, without being in the huddle you don't know if it was option/improv or pure luck.
I feel like we had this discussion earlier in the year. It involved pattern-matching zone on defense.
But like peter said, without being in the huddle you don't know if it was option/improv or pure luck.
I feel like we had this discussion earlier in the year. It involved pattern-matching zone on defense.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:08 pm to deeprig9
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That last cager td looked like option route, as soon as the safety went down cager moved out, waved at fromm, TD.
I actually thought that was the designed route all the way. It looked awfully similar to a play Shanahan ran with the Falcons.
Ryan to Hooper vs Carolina
The Hooper play and the Cager play were designed to get all of the action flowing right on the bootleg and have the receiver (TE in Hooper's case) on the right side of the LOS sneak out and run a wheel route up the left sideline.
Hooper and Cager lined up in the same spot and ran the same route. If that play is set up and executed correctly, it's almost impossible to cover. It takes incredible eye discipline by the defense or superhuman recovery speed by the free safety.
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/7/19 at 4:48 pm to VADawg
Like I said, I haven't broken down the film with my staff yet.
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