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re: Off Topic: Republican Bama fans - would you vote for Tubberville in the Senate primary?

Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:31 am to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50220 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:31 am to
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I already have a degree in political science


Found your problem.

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authoritarianism relies on an absurdly powerful executive


This is absolutely false. You got a poli sci degree without ever studying China's system of government? Literally all of the president's power is given to him by their ruling body. The Communist Party, collectively, holds the power, not the President. They even go so far as to expect people to worship the Communist Party. Yes, they often lift up the President as a figurehead, but you are fooling yourself if you believe he holds any real power. They can oust him whenever they want.

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That doesn't mean that any government built with a strong centralized foundation is authoritarianism.


Forcing association is not part of a "strong centralized foundation" of a government. I'm not even sure how you could possibly equate a government forcing its citizens to associate with certain people (or purchase/sell certain products, for that matter) with a "strong centralized foundation" of a government. Simply using these words shows you have to twist what I'm saying to fit your argument. You clearly know that you have taken a flimsy position.

The reality is that laws enforcing segregation were forced association just like laws forcing desegregation of private entities is forced association. They're BOTH authoritarian policies. Two sides of the same coin. That you don't know this is a real stain on your poli sci degree. You may be okay with that level of authoritarian policies, but that doesn't make them less authoritarian. You will not be able to point to any historical or modern examples where forced association is NOT an example of authoritarianism. Just because we do it does not make it less authoritarian.

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My acknowledgment of authortarianism neccesating 1) limited political representation, 2) ambigous and vast executive powers (which is the key here) 3) policy making without reasoned debate is absolutely accurate and anyone who has spent any time studying modern political thought would agree, as do *all* relevant and important texts. The SCOTUS rulings, legislative policy making and constitutional amendments that promote an anti-discriminatory society are by no means authoritarian, as they are not the result of a dictator or executive decision. Sure sounds like you've never read The Prince, Doctrine of Fascism, any Giovani Gentile or any texts on the subject at all. Maybe audit some classes at the local community college, it would be benifical, assuming strongly holding on to political opinions is important to you.


The government should not discriminate, and the government choosing not to discriminate is not authoritarian. The government forcing citizens to associate with other people, or forcing citizens to do business with people they do not wish to do business with, IS authoritarian. It does not matter how your leftist professors have redefined the term for you. The fact remains.

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Good luck schooling be on the issue.


Won't need luck. You don't know basic tenants of political science.
This post was edited on 4/12/19 at 8:55 am
Posted by Bamaorbust
Member since Jan 2019
110 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:55 am to
Frick no.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4196 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 4:46 pm to
What do you guys think of the aborted baby survivor scenario? The Va Gov (d) basically said to make the child confey until mom decides whether or not to murder it outside the womb. Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy but that seems insane.
This post was edited on 4/11/19 at 4:51 pm
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 6:42 pm to
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What do you guys think of the aborted baby survivor scenario? The Va Gov (d) basically said to make the child confey until mom decides whether or not to murder it outside the womb. Maybe I'm an old fuddy duddy but that seems insane.



It sounds insane because that's not what the bill actually did. The bill allowed a mother to refuse treatment to a baby that was born that was unviable outside the womb. It's similar to a family member signing a DNR on a terminally ill family member at the end of their life. There's not a single person out there that would support the killing of a viable baby outside the womb.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20447 posts
Posted on 4/11/19 at 8:48 pm to
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he bill allowed a mother to refuse treatment to a baby that was born that was unviable outside the womb. It's similar to a family member signing a DNR on a terminally ill family member at the end of their life.


That's a lie, Spleen. That has never been illegal anywhere. Anyone with the authority can sign a DNR and has always been able to.

Posted by dirtsandwich
AL
Member since May 2016
5110 posts
Posted on 4/12/19 at 6:27 am to
I would find it very very difficult to vote for Tubbs if I’m being honest. I do not like that man.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29002 posts
Posted on 4/12/19 at 11:29 am to
If the only choices were Tubs and Dougie then I'd vote for Tubs.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 4/12/19 at 1:06 pm to
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Anyone with the authority can sign a DNR and has always been able to.



Yeah, I said it was similar to that, not that it was the same. The proposed bill gave the mother the choice to not perform life saving procedures on a live baby that wasn't viable on its own.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20750 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:14 am to
I really don’t want to have to go through this BS again.

Roy Moore Leads GOP Field in Alabama....

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Former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore leads the field of potential Republicans vying for the chance to challenge Sen. Doug Jones (D), a year and a half after Moore lost what was supposed to be an easy election in a deep-red state. A new poll shows Moore leading a still-evolving field of Alabama Republicans competing for the nomination. He is the top choice of 27 percent of Alabama Republican voters, according to the Mason-Dixon Polling & Strategy Inc. survey. The state's three Republican members of Congress finish well behind Moore: Rep. Mo Brooks would take 18 percent, Rep. Bradley Byrne clocks in at 13 percent and Rep. Gary Palmer would take 11 percent.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50220 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:49 pm to
LINK

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Adding a name recognition question to that information tells the whole story. Moore essentially has maximized that metric, with only 4 percent (within the margin of error of zero) not recognizing his name. He only has a five percent net favorability rating, at 34-29 percent. In contrast, his potential opponents (Byrne is the only one polled that has actually announced) have a lot of room to grow in name recognition while not having the baggage and set ceiling that Moore does.

Byrne’s 23 percent was the highest net favorability at 25-2 percent, followed by Brooks’ 19 percent (27-8), Palmer’s 17 percent (18-1), James’ 12 percent (13-1) and Marsh’s 8 percent (15-7).

Again considering only 4 percent did not recognize Moore’s name, note that 23 percent had never heard of Brooks, 46 percent Byrne, 53 percent Palmer, 57 percent Marsh and 70 percent James. A factor at play here is that Brooks, like Moore, ran in the 2017 Senate special election primary. Byrne’s high net favorability while having so much room for growth in name recognition is very much an encouraging sign for his campaign.
Posted by Broken Coyote
Seated. Facing forward
Member since Dec 2010
3050 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 3:39 pm to
Republican now means Clinton Democrat (Bill not Hillary) there are so few honest constitutional conservatives in politics now that it don’t even matter. Your choices are tax and spend republicrats or socialist. frickem all.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50220 posts
Posted on 4/16/19 at 6:10 pm to
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Republican now means Clinton Democrat (Bill not Hillary) there are so few honest constitutional conservatives in politics now that it don’t even matter. Your choices are tax and spend republicrats or socialist. frickem all.



This thread is about state elections, but your comment makes it seem like you've been ignoring the past few federal elections.
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
6853 posts
Posted on 4/17/19 at 11:13 am to
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I’ll go on record immediately and say no. There is nothing that he seems to offer that other Republicans don’t offer that would help him overcome my disdain for him.



Would you vote for him in the primary over a second Roy Moore bid?
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
42019 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:47 pm to
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Would you vote for him in the primary over a second Roy Moore bid?

I wouldn’t vote for Moore or Tubberville.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37704 posts
Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:46 pm to
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Would you vote for him in the primary over a second Roy Moore bid?


Roy Moore or Tommy Tubz


What a world we live in where those two are serious candidates to represent this state & country of ours as senators.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17845 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 7:48 am to
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Abortion should be an issue women decide on.

Did i miss the memo on humans going all jurassic park and can reproduce without a man
Posted by InGAButLoveBama
Member since Jan 2018
924 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 8:12 am to
I loathe Tubberville, but would vote for him in a second if he had the balls to come out against our stupid wars and interventions and immoral support for the Saudi war on Yemen, Israel's occupation of Palestine and massacre of unarmed Palestinians, if he did NOT blame Russia and Iran for the chaos our foreign policy has created in the ME, if he did NOT demonize Russia and Iran for pursuing their national interests, if he supported cutting the "Defense" Budget, ending the Fed, honoring the Tenth Amendment, etc. Oh, and if he supported severely penalizing employers who hire illegal immigrants along with supporting a wall.
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 8:31 am
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24263 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 10:02 am to
Not from Alabama but if I like his ideas then absolutely. Football games do not effect my life at all.
Posted by Lordofwrath88
Tuscaloosa
Member since Oct 2012
6853 posts
Posted on 4/23/19 at 3:52 pm to
more interesting question....


How many Bama Republicans vote for a Democratic Nick Saban ticket.

(And yes, it a totally hypothetical situation, I'm 100% confident Nick will just enjoy retirement and travel with Terri once his coaching days are over)
This post was edited on 4/23/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26950 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 10:14 am to
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Also voted to confirm Kleeh (65/30), Rettig (64/33), Lanza (60/35), Pompeo (57-42), Azar (55-43),


Yeah, well, there's one big name missing from that list of confirmations.

Here, I'll make it easy for you: Anyone who sided with Feinstein, Harris, Booker, et al and believed that bullshite from Ms. "Fear of Flying" isn't fit to occupy a Senate seat from Alabama. Period.
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