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re: Did Trevor Lawrence progress faster than Justin Fields?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:34 am to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 1/10/19 at 1:34 am to Dawgsontop34
Vince Young - redshirted; only had two games as a rsFR where he threw more than 15 passes in a game.
Cam Newton - sat behind Tebow for two years with 1 year of separation; didn’t start a college game until he was a rsJR.
EJ Manuel - redshirted; sat behind Christian Ponder for 2 years before starting as a rsSO.
Jameis Winston - redshirted and beat out future Alabama starter Jacob Coker the following season.
Kyler Murray - sat behind Kyle Allen at Texas A&M with 1 year of separation (both transferred); sat behind Baker Mayfield for another year and wasn’t a full-time starter until he was a rsJR.
All of the players (5*) above were either Heisman winners or 1st round draft picks. All took some time to develop and some did not even play in their first season.
Unfortunately, it seems that Fields wasn’t patient enough in his development to learn from the guy ahead of him. Fromm as a freshman was a rare case where he was pretty much the only option to start, and it worked out because he was ready and willing to compete.
Cam Newton - sat behind Tebow for two years with 1 year of separation; didn’t start a college game until he was a rsJR.
EJ Manuel - redshirted; sat behind Christian Ponder for 2 years before starting as a rsSO.
Jameis Winston - redshirted and beat out future Alabama starter Jacob Coker the following season.
Kyler Murray - sat behind Kyle Allen at Texas A&M with 1 year of separation (both transferred); sat behind Baker Mayfield for another year and wasn’t a full-time starter until he was a rsJR.
All of the players (5*) above were either Heisman winners or 1st round draft picks. All took some time to develop and some did not even play in their first season.
Unfortunately, it seems that Fields wasn’t patient enough in his development to learn from the guy ahead of him. Fromm as a freshman was a rare case where he was pretty much the only option to start, and it worked out because he was ready and willing to compete.
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Posted on 1/10/19 at 8:39 am to dawgdayafternoon
Add Marcus Mariota in there as well. There’s so much value in it IMO.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:42 pm to RiverDawg
quote:If Fields was making doing more than checking his first target and running with the ball, he might have actually challenged Fromm. His running ability and athleticism is undeniable but he was basically a one-trick pony this past season, and that wasn't entirely on the play calling. If he was the starter, or at least split reps with Fromm, he would have had throw more as he would have been spied by the defense. Being able to run well isn't as much of a weapon when you haven't proven you can beat teams with your arm consistently.
No matter what Field did, he wasnt taking the starting QB spot. No true QB competition because Jake almost beat Bama and our ex OC only used him for read option at the worst times in a game to do it. Dabo handle it the right way, gave both Qbs a chance to prove themselves
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:54 pm to djsdawg
quote:You think Chaney was lying when he said that there wasn't a significant gap between Eason and Fromm leading up to the season opener?
Of course you, one of the biggest fromm fan boys there is, would claim this.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 4:56 pm to FooManChoo
Why are we all still talking about Fields? He's gone. Who cares. 
Posted on 1/10/19 at 5:48 pm to FooManChoo
Everyone should realize that coaches always lie when it suits their purpose.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 6:31 pm to Whiznot
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Everyone should realize that coaches always lie when it suits their purpose.
You misspelled "people"
Posted on 1/10/19 at 6:31 pm to Dawgirl
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Why are we all still talking about Fields? He's gone. Who cares.
It's the off season.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 7:03 pm to FaCubeItches
Obviously. 
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:40 pm to HTDawg
quote:He sure did. He got more opportunity on the field as the backup than just about any other backup QB in recent history (at least at UGA).
He didn't have much in the way of opportunity.
quote:He did play well overall against the cupcakes.
His only legitimate opportunities were in a couple of cupcake games, and he performed incredibly well in those games.
quote:Yeah, being the backup when your starting QB is injured for a month will allow for that.
Fromm had far more opportunities than Fields ever did.
quote:It's not meant to be a one-to-one comparison as the situations were very different. The point was that each kid got a chance to show what they could do with the opportunities that they were given and Fromm showed continuous improvement week to week and leadership beyond his years while Fields looked like a true freshman. He lacked the presence of a field general and didn't seem to get better as the season went on. He played like I would expect a true freshman to play. It wasn't bad but he didn't impress save for a few plays.
It's hardly a fair comparison.
quote:The way you described Fields' action makes it sound like he was a typical backup QB who only got to play when the games were out of hand. That's not true at all. He got to play all season with the game still in question. He got real snaps against real opponents. For comparison, Fields got as many passing attempts as Brice Ramsey in 2014 (39) but got 42 more rushing attempts compared to 0 for Brice. Several of those rushing attempts were actually passing plays where he took off and ran.
One guy got all the snaps and was handed a starting job because of an injury, the other one barely got any at all, except for the cupcake games and blowouts, which he basically did nothing but hand off.
quote:That's possible, but even with him not getting but one offense play against LSU, he still got more reps than a true freshman QB should get with the starter playing well throughout the season. Fields could have changed a lot of minds if he played lights out with his opportunities.
The straw that probably broke the camel's back was not giving him any chance in the LSU game when Fromm was lost. That was enough for him to know he was probably wasting his time here. He wasn't going to sit for three years behind Fromm, and he had no guarantee that Fromm was going pro after his junior year. So I doubt he wanted to take that risk.
quote:Not really. If he balls out, it could be because the valuable experience he gained with us. He has a lot of potential but he didn't want to sit back and learn from Fromm and the coaches and try to win the starting spot after a season. He took snaps away from our starter and then bolted. Good riddance.
All of this guessing about Fields as a QB will be answered a year from now. If he balls out at OSU and looks great, we'll look a bit silly. If he doesn't then it's a moot point.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:41 pm to Dawgirl
quote:Because there are people who are wrong on the internet
Why are we all still talking about Fields? He's gone. Who cares.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 9:43 pm to Whiznot
quote:He could be lying. CKS could have been lying in March before the season when he said he expected Fromm to challenge Eason. But that's the feedback we have.
Everyone should realize that coaches always lie when it suits their purpose.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:15 pm to RiverDawg
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No matter what Field did, he wasnt taking the starting QB spot. No true QB competition because Jake almost beat Bama and our ex OC only used him for read option at the worst times in a game to do it. Dabo handle it the right way, gave both Qbs a chance to prove themselves
It's pointless to debate with someone who would take Fromm over 2007 Tom Brady, 2013 Peyton Manning, and 2011 Aaron Rodgers. I bowed out of these conversations a long time ago when I realized this.
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:24 pm to VADawg
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It's pointless to debate with someone who would take Fromm over 2007 Tom Brady, 2013 Peyton Manning, and 2011 Aaron Rodgers
Is that who 2018 Justin Fields was?
Posted on 1/10/19 at 10:28 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Is that who 2018 Justin Fields was?
I did not say that. However, I believe that Fields has enormous potential and could have taken Georgia to far greater heights than Fromm ever could if he had developed. The only way to develop is with live reps, and not just in wildcat formations. Fromm was the better choice for the 2018 team but Fields (with real game experience beyond being basically Darren McFadden) would have been the better choice for 2019 and 2020, IMO.
Posted on 1/11/19 at 10:21 am to VADawg
quote:Very possible.
I did not say that. However, I believe that Fields has enormous potential and could have taken Georgia to far greater heights than Fromm ever could if he had developed.
quote:False. Development happens both on and off of the field. Studying film, working out, practicing, and getting mentorship are all ways to develop. Do you think that QBs who redshirt are remaining stagnant? The fact that Fields got to witness SEC speed up close in real games and against real opponents when the outcome of the game wasn't yet settled is development. He doesn't have to be the starter to develop.
The only way to develop is with live reps, and not just in wildcat formations.
quote:We can't really know that. I didn't see any real improvement in Fields as the season went on. He was still doing his one-and-run reads when he had opportunities to throw it and didn't look any more confident in our offense at the end of the season than he did at the beginning.
Fromm was the better choice for the 2018 team but Fields (with real game experience beyond being basically Darren McFadden) would have been the better choice for 2019 and 2020, IMO.
Fromm took charge of the offense from the first series in his first game as a freshman and was a leader on the field throughout the season. Fields never seemed to show that level of confidence or authority/direction when behind center. Granted, it's rare to see a true freshman take over the offense like Fromm did, so that's not necessarily a criticism of Fields, but it just seemed that Fromm started strong and continued to develop throughout the season and Fields just did the same things as the season went on, not showing anything different (improvement) over that time.
So with that, I can't say for certain that Fields staying would mean that he would beat Fromm for the 2019 season. It's possible, but he obviously thought he was better than Fromm before this past season started and couldn't win that battle. Credit Fromm for that, too, as he improved as the season went on.
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