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Leto II
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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Bunch of daughters of the confederacy in this thread it seems

The confederacy that lasted less time than The Gilmore Girls


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AuSteeler
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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I learned my history from books, not statues that were erected 75 years after the Civil War to placate people who were worked up about civil rights.


Sorry, your wrong. Most of those large statues were built between 1895-1920, so that makes it 30-50 years after.

Most were put up by the Daughters of the Confederacy to remind people of their heritage and who was still in control. That’s why they put them in the city squares or in front of state buildings. The values these monuments stood for a 'glorification of the cause of the Civil War.'

Blacks may have been freed b/c of the Civil War, but they were still going to be segregated and treated poorly UNTIL civil rights in the mid 50's and 60's.


Leto II
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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Blacks may have been freed b/c of the Civil War, but they were still going to be segregated and treated poorly UNTIL civil rights in the mid 50's and 60's.

In case you haven’t been paying attention, they are still being treated poorly and we still have segregation, even if it isn’t state sponsored anymore. Again, the storied Confederacy lasted the same amount of time I spent at Auburn. Time to let it go.
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jangalang
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
I don’t think many (if any) of us give a shite about the confederate war. If anything it is the weirdos that suddenly want to change the names of buildings and topple over statues that keep this civil war conversation going as if namesakes have anything to do with racism today.

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Leto II
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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I don’t think many (if any) of us give a shite about the confederate war

It sure sounds like a lot of people do..

And no, I don’t really care one way or another about most building names/statues. But it doesn’t mean there are people that don’t have a valid reason for feeling that way.

As always, it’s the extreme people on both sides that are getting the attention right now.

I’m very happy the way our AD and head coaches have handled the situation right now
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jangalang
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I think it’s dangerous as frick taking names off buildings. Samford apparently was captured and studied most of the war. His penmanship apparently guided Auburn into being a secessionist town even though he didn’t own slaves. So take his name down.

And then he went on to become Alabama’s Governor (hence name sake). Is the movement going to scratch that from the record books as well? Slippery slope. I’d be more enthusiastic with reform if were discussing definitive end all- be all measures


BuckFama334
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These idiots don't have any rhyme or reasons to their demands. They are trying cancel George Washington.

I don't give a shite if GW had slaves, it was a norm of the times. I think any rational person can see that the good outweighs the bad with someone like George Washington and the same applies to other historical figures being attacked right now.

I am literally fearful that my infant won't learn about George Washington and other important figures in school one day, that is outrageous.


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GoCrazyAuburn
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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I don’t think many (if any) of us give a shite about the confederate war. If anything it is the weirdos that suddenly want names on buildings changed and statues brought down that keep this civil war conversation going as if namesakes have anything to do with racism today.


This is basically the story for all of this. There are a bunch of people that need society to still believe massive racism is still very present. They push that narrative and you are so inundated with it, the most still believe there truly is legit systematic racism. In actuality, there isn’t. We have plenty of cultural and societal issues. None of them are because of the race of the individual.

It is amazing how little racism you’ll see, If you stop assuming everything that happens between two different races is because of racism. Crazy I know


bluedragon
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
I'm wondering what the nut (ball) less President of Florida will do when the student section starts the Gator Chomp. Stop the game and march them out in unison? That all came about because the fraud supposedly "read about the supposed use of black children to bait gators."

So the thought is to discriminate against the majority because it is deemed to discriminate against a monority group?


PJinAtl
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
To be fair, it isn't the gator chomp that they are discontinuing (unless something has changed). It is the Gator Bait cheer...

The band would play like 6 notes...dun.dun.dun..dundundun and then the crowd would tell out Ga-tor Bait.

The Gator chomp is done to the Jaws theme.


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AuSteeler
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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In case you haven’t been paying attention, they are still being treated poorly and we still have segregation, even if it isn’t state sponsored anymore. Again, the storied Confederacy lasted the same amount of time I spent at Auburn. Time to let it go.


Sorry, you're wrong again.

Are they being treated poorly? OFC, just as all colors or gender or obese kids, etc. go through being treated poorly.

But it's NOT on the scale of what they went through when they were slaves or when they were deprived of drinking out of the same drinking fountain, or made to go to the back of the bus or were forced to be in schools not given the same amount of funding as schools for white neighborhoods....

With affirmative action and the Civil Rights ACT most of those barriers are gone. Ofc it's isolated...and it rears it's head bc of social media, instant video recording and liberal media...

All you seem to be doing is relating it to the actual war period which really means nothing to what was going on before and after in the south particularly...


AuSteeler
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
I will add...i hate this cancel culture we are going through...because they don't know where to stop...

And the politicians are getting sucked right into it..It's called White guilt according to Shelby Steele who has a better handle on what should be happening instead of what is going on now...


bluedragon
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
Auburn needs to tell them all "We ain't going to change a thing. If you don't like it, go to Florida State or some other all girl's school. Like Missouri."


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Pettifogger
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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I learned my history from books, not statues that were erected 75 years after the Civil War to placate people who were worked up about civil rights.



They'll come for those too.


jangalang
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They'll come for those too.

Textbooks have already changed a lot. I remember when John Calhoun was considered a young star along with Henry Clay and Webster.

And obviously books like Huck Finn have been cleaned up a bunch.


AuSteeler
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Textbooks have already changed a lot. I remember when John Calhoun was considered a young star along with Henry Clay and Webster.

And obviously books like Huck Finn have been cleaned up a bunch.


That would be interesting to see what changes they have made to American History books and compare a school history book from the 1960's to a history book in the last few years.

I'm not real old, just old enough to remember as a kid the story of George Washington chopping down the cherry tree.

My, how times have changed. lol...


Broadside Bob
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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Wallace Hall will be renamed. Probably others too
There is already a campaign for that. Wallace Hall, Graves Amphitheater, Samford Hall, and a couple of others.

(Dis)Placing White Supremacy at Auburn University


From Wikipedia on George Wallace:

... In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he became a born-again Christian and moderated his views on race, renouncing his past support for segregation...

Could/should that not be used as a positive lesson that even the hardest line segregationists can change?


makersmark1
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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story of George Washington chopping down the cherry tree.


With the green new deal, chopping down a tree is murder.


AuSteeler
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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With the green new deal, chopping down a tree is murder.


Funny. It's good to have a little laughter to go with all this negative stuff going on...



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AUCatfish
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re: What ridiculously stupid thing will Auburn University do?
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In the late 1970s, Wallace announced that he became a born-again Christian and moderated his views on race, renouncing his past support for segregation...

Could/should that not be used as a positive lesson that even the hardest line segregationists can change?


Asking if Wallace really changed his views is a legitimate question. George was an opportunistic politician. In his early political life, he was a progressive acolyte of Big Jim Folsom, considered soft on race relations. He lost his first attempted run for Governor against John Patterson, primarily because Patterson had KKK backing and was viewed as a staunch segregationist. After losing, Wallace is quoted as saying "Seymore, you know why I lost that governor's race? ... I was outn*****ed by John Patterson. And I'll tell you here and now, I will never be outn*****ed again."

In his ensuing campaigns, Wallace was the poster boy for segregation, and he rode the racism horse as long as it got him elected. Whether it was his "stand in the schoolhouse door", his inaction and tacit approval of the actions on Bloody Sunday or the many ways he promoted racism and segregation in this state, Wallace was a horrible person by any measure.

His Mea Culpa prior to the 1982 race was crucial in getting him elected in a close race, and key to that election was getting the black vote. That being said, one can't look into another man's heart to see if they are being honest, but for me, there is enough evidence in his past to question the sincerity of his "come to Jesus"


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