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Posted on 5/11/19 at 7:43 pm to jvilletiger25
Posted on 5/11/19 at 7:43 pm to jvilletiger25
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A championship coach would have Auburn winning 10+ games on a regular basis.
Except it has never happened in our history.
No Auburn football coach has faced the competition that Gus has. Also, he took us to a National Championship game and had the game won with a min left in the game until the defense let us down. The offense, his offense, ran up and down the field on the best defense in the nation all night long.
And lets face it, his offense is why we have a national championship in any of our lifetimes. Not our defense. So stop acting like his style of play will not work. Thats just silly.
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Posted on 5/11/19 at 8:18 pm to LanierSpots
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So stop acting like his style of play will not work.
They also used to play fewer games. 2017 he won 10 games and still lost 4. So what's harder: going 9-1/8-2 back in the day, or 10-4 these days?
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Except it has never happened in our history.
He hasn't ran "his style of play" since 2014.
Posted on 5/11/19 at 9:47 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Silly maybe; however without this guy: (who was)
. . . his offense is why we have a national championship in any of our lifetimes. Not our defense. . . .
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Surprisingly quick for his size . . .
(and) . . . In 2010, he became the 2nd player from Auburn to win the Lombardi Award. He was coached by Lombardi winner and former Auburn player Tracy Rocker, and became the first player to win the Lombardi and be coached by a winner of the award.
(who) During the 2011 BCS National Championship Game against the Oregon Ducks, Fairley had five tackles, a sack, and a forced fumble. Three of his tackles were made behind the line of scrimmage. Fairley was selected as the defensive player of the game award.
So yeah maybe with just Gus (and Cam) it's still a win; however it just didn't happen that way.
Consensus All-American (2010)
First-team All-SEC (2010)
SEC Defensive Player of the Year (2010)
Lombardi Award (2010)
SEC champion (2010)
BCS national champion (all from: same wiki)
Nor was it Gus - but the sideline urging Dyer on.
Nor did he coach the defense into getting their 2pt safety on La Michael James.
This post was edited on 5/11/19 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 5/11/19 at 11:17 pm to jvilletiger25
I don’t see how you watch 17 IB and DSOR and think we can hire some crazy better coach that will take Auburn to where they have never been before. Especially when playing a tougher schedule than we ever have
Posted on 5/12/19 at 12:29 am to blzr
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17 IB and DSOR
Yep, those two miracle plays have cemented Gus's career (along w/Dyer's knee). Yet they were also largely because of someone other than him.
Wasn't it Ellis Johnson in The Kick Six who stops everything and says, "hey guys what if". . . (and of course Saban's jumping up and down temper tantrum) which then saves the day? And in The Prayer at Jordan Hare (wiki): Gus call's 'Little Rock' for Sammie Coates.... but no ... instead Louis begs Nick Marshall to throw him the ball... so there's a tip, no dog house for Nick, and another play Gus really didn't plan (but worked out for the good).
I seriously give Gus credit for having the team ready by seasons end; however much of his success seems to come from the sideline. And yep it's definitely a team sport I just wonder if he always remembers?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:22 am to awestruck
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Yep, those two miracle plays have cemented Gus's career (along w/Dyer's knee
Your just making shite up now. there were no miracles plays in those games. Just arse beatings
And as far as Dyer, Omac was more important to us in 2010 was than Dyer and we were tied when that play happened. Dont act like we didnt have a shot without that play. We were ahead the majority of that game and probably would have won without the "almost down"
Yes Fairley was a beast and had a huge contribution to that season. But without the offense we ran, we dont go undefeated. Plain and simple
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:23 am to jvilletiger25
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He hasn't ran "his style of play" since 2014.
First thing I have agreed with you on in thie entire thread. The fact that he changed his offense style in 2015, killed his success to me. He appeared to let outside interference influence him which was a big mistake
Posted on 5/12/19 at 6:46 am to LanierSpots
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The fact that he changed his offense style in 2015,
A small defense of Gus is the rules changed. A critique is that he didn't adapt. Several other coaches have adapted and find ways to use pace in small burst better than Gus who largely invented the idea in the modern game.
Gus should get the credit of the good years, as well as, the blame. The above poster is correct no other Auburn coach has faced as difficult of a challenge as Gus. However, you could say no other Auburn coach has had the resources to do more than Gus.
Gus isn't much different than a lot of coaches. He struggles at identifying QB talent. He IMO gets labeled as not being able to develop it, but he has a history of QB's producing and growing if they have the talent. Unfortunately for us he often doesn't have them with much talent or if they have talent they have glaring weakness like Stidham.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 7:17 am to auyushu
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Wait, what? Pat Dye would like to say hi here.
I wasn’t aware that Auburn’s strength of schedule while Pat was at Auburn was perennially within top 5?
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 7:19 am
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:44 am to jangalang
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I wasn’t aware that Auburn’s strength of schedule while Pat was at Auburn was perennially within top 5?
Plus he did get us on a long probation which ruined a perfect season and championship place. Gus on the other hand has ran a very clean program since he took the wheel. Not even something Bruce can say
Posted on 5/12/19 at 9:49 am to LanierSpots
Since when did Bruce cause us any punishment?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:37 am to Rig
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Since when did Bruce cause us any punishment?
Not saying he did any of the such. Just that the program has not been clean since he became the head coach.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:02 am to LanierSpots
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Plus he did get us on a long probation which ruined a perfect season and championship place. Gus on the other hand has ran a very clean program since he took the wheel. Not even something Bruce can say
Totally agree. The worst that Gus has done is successfully rehabilitate the reputations that were happily trampled on by Georgia of Marshall and Tray Matthews, and kicked off some players (Duke and Jovon) even if it meant coughing up some wins.
As for Bruce, he is clearly the most popular coach right now because he has his program on the upswing. Gus cannot say the same. He’s fighting just to keep his job. Bruce pushed the envelope at other schools (and paid the price elsewhere,) and that’s the only reason why Auburn was able to land him. Not similar to our former Bear Bryant disciple Pat Dye which could probably out drink Bear under the table. I do appreciate coaches that can win cleanly and acknowledge that Auburn needed Dye at the time, but would have to say I’d prefer Gus.
I know it’s bout to be said: but Bruce isn’t responsible for Ira. Didn’t know anything about Person either.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:05 am
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:10 am to jangalang
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As for Bruce, he is clearly the most popular coach right now because he has his program on the upswing. Gus cannot say the same.
agree 100%. Bruce is easy to like. Hell i love the guy. I can also see why Gus's personality rubs people wrong. Im just merely stating facts. I just want to win, no matter who is coach
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I know it’s bout to be said: but Bruce isn’t responsible for Ira. Didn’t know anything about Person either.
This is where we must make a decision. If Bruce is not responsible for the actions of his coaches, then no other head coach should be. We can not have it both ways. The head coach is either responsible for the actions of the ones under him or they are not. We cant give leniency to coaches because they are "likable". In my opinion, Bruce got a free pass over the Persons FBI probe.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:17 am to jangalang
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I wasn’t aware that Auburn’s strength of schedule while Pat was at Auburn was perennially within top 5?
You might want to do some research then. You don't play Bama, FSU, Florida, Tenn, Georgia, Georgia Tech yearly along with teams like Maryland (with Boomer at QB), Texas, LSU, and Nebraska thrown in for good measure and not have a top SOS. The SOS we faced during our 1983 season is probably as tough as any Auburn team has ever faced. From 1983-1989 our schedule was as tough as anything Gus has faced.
And Gus hasn't been perennially in the top 5 in SOS either, in 2015 we weren't even in the top 10 and managed to go 7-6. He's had a top 5 SOS 3 times, with the hardest schedule once (2014) and been top 10 SOS outside of 2015. So yeah, he's had a tough schedule, but nothing inordinately tougher than what Dye was facing (when Dye managed 9 or more wins 6 out of 7 years from 1983-1989 despite playing 1 less game per year).
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:29 am to LanierSpots
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We cant give leniency to coaches because they are "likable". In my opinion, Bruce got a free pass over the Persons FBI probe.
The Persons FBI probe occurred before the season when we were picked to go 4-14 in conference play. And some fans were already impatient with Bruce. I think leniency deserves to be considered on a case by case basis. Persons was pushed onto Bruce and we don’t know that Bruce knew about Person’s steering player’s families to agents. The only way that Bruce could be implicated is if he recruited players with the promise of kickbacks and access to agents. I think the Ira case speaks for itself. Bruce probably only hired him because of his relationship with Cooper’s family.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:37 am to auyushu
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You might want to do some research then. You don't play Bama, FSU, Florida, Tenn, Georgia, Georgia Tech yearly along with teams like Maryland (with Boomer at QB), Texas, LSU, and Nebraska thrown in for good measure and not have a top SOS.
I’m assuming you have done your research then.
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The SOS we faced during our 1983 season is probably as tough as any Auburn team has ever faced.
List em. Must be one helluva season considering we recently played four games against three playoff teams in one season alone. Five total games v. top 10.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 5/12/19 at 11:46 am to auyushu
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He's had a top 5 SOS 3 times, with the hardest schedule once (2014) and been top 10 SOS outside of 2015
Well I’m obviously going to include this year
2014-2015 # 1
2017-2018 #1
2013-2014 #3
2019- 2020 #2
2016-2017 #7
2018-2019 #7
2015-2016 #15
Can you prove that Pat had this kind of season every year?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:04 pm to jangalang
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List em. Must be one helluva season considering we recently played four games against three playoff teams in one season alone. Five total games v. top 10.
Depends on which way you are looking at them. AT the time we played them it was:
#3 Texas, #5 Florida, #7 Maryland, #4 Georgia, #19 Alabama, and #8 Michigan. We also played on the road versus a 9 win Tenn team and against an 8 win FSU team.
End of the season (which is really what counts) it was :
#4 Georgia, #5 Texas, #6 Florida, #8 Michigan, #15 Alabama.
It's hilarious that you are trying to count our SOS for a season that we haven't even played. The fact that you are trying claim things about Auburn from a historical perspective and don't know about our history means your point of view isn't particularly accurate.
That being said Gus has been playing tough schedules no doubt, it's just not particularly any tougher than what Dye was playing. Playing 4-5 top 15 teams was pretty commonplace for us from 1983-1989 when we had peak FSU as a yearly opponent along with TENN and Florida yearly.
And no, I'm going to bother and do the research for you on the rest of the seasons, you can look through our 80s schedules yourself. It's not as simple as clicking on a single website to get the SOS like was for you to pull up the numbers for recent seasons.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 5:40 pm to auyushu
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Playing 4-5 top 15 teams was pretty commonplace for us from 1983-1989 when we had peak FSU as a yearly opponent along with TENN and Florida yearly.
I mean Auburn’s rivals are stout, can’t say the same about that era. Playing four games against 3 playoff teams (top four) isn’t commonplace. Through only a few clicks, I’ve yet to find where Auburn played the number one team, much less beat the number one team twice. Haven’t seen SEC CGs either. Did Dye have to beat Bama and then turn around and beat the SEC east champion?
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It's hilarious that you are trying to count our SOS for a season that we haven't even played.
Well the preseason SOS for next season is already out. And there is no doubt it will be another grind for Auburn that 99% of the teams don’t typically have to experience.
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And no, I'm going to bother and do the research for you on the rest of the seasons
It was your counter argument. You do the research.
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It's not as simple as clicking on a single website to get the SOS like was for you to pull up the numbers for recent seasons.
Are you sure? You told me we only had the number one SOS one time in Gus’s era, so I’m sure you didn’t visit the site yourself.
Ripped from another board.
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Gus has won more than all the others did.
In his first five seasons CGM BEAT 14 ranked opponents, including 6 top 10 and 3 #1 teams.
In his first five seasons CTT beat 10 ranked opponents, including 6 top 10 and 1 #1 team
In his first five seasons CTB beat 5 ranked opponents, including 3 top 10 and 1 #1 team In his first five seasons CPD beat 9 ranked opponents, including 5 top 10 and ZERO #1 teams
Overall after 5 seasons at AU CGM has won 45 games, CTT won 38, CTB won 46, CPD won 42.
According to 247
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A study of coaching tenures over the years reveals Malzahn has faced top-10 teams more often than any coach in Auburn history, with an average of 3.6 top 10 teams per season. That average does not include the 2018 season, which is Malzahn's sixth year coaching the Tigers.
Former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville had the second-highest average of top-10 games with an average of 2.9 per season and Gene Chizik finished his four-year career with an average of 2.5 per year.
Pat Dye averaged 2.4 per season and Terry Bowden, including the season he stepped down with five games remaining in 1998, averaged two per year
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 6:59 pm
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