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The Ewing Theory and Auburn BBall
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:22 pm
I am grasping for some positives after the Peach bowl yesterday. The game against TN tonight and how good the BBall team looked has me pumped about the rest of the season. Hope Im not jinxing it.
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A theory hashed by ESPN.com writer Bill Simmons and his friend Dave Cirilli. It that explains the reason why teams inexplicably become better after their star player leaves the team for any reason (trade, injury, etc.). Two elements must be present for a situation to be explained by the Ewing Theory: 1) The team has a star player who receives a lot of attention but never wins anything, and 2) The star player leaves the team and everybody writes the team off.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:30 pm to SlimCharles140
Or solid recruiting by Pearl..
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:48 pm to TigerProwl24
Solid Recruiting and team play. The players aren't selfish with the ball. Very Positive...looking forward to the rest of the season...
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:53 pm to 88TIger
Do we see that same selfless play with Purifoy out there?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:55 pm to Zeroforwinger
I mean the main differences in this team are adding Desean Murray, Dunbar, Okeke, etc. Other guys on the team have also improved. I think we’re even better with Purifoy and Wiley playing.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:17 pm to Zeroforwinger
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Do we see that same selfless play with Purifoy out there?
People who trash Purifoy for effort and selfish play don't know shite about Auburn basketball
This team is better because for the first time in Bruces tenure the minutes continuity is in top 100. The team is showing they know the offensive sets and adjustment to more physical CBB
Also, Bruce adding the 1-1-3 matchup zone has been a huge fricking deal for our defense. We've been ultra successful in stretches we play it
Finally, we are shooting significantly better from the FT line. That alone has won us games in the final minutes that we had lost last year
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:52 pm to GenesChin
Gene if we had both Purifoy and Willey tomorrow how do you think we finish the year? What about if neither play again?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 12:39 am to SlimCharles140
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Gene if we had both Purifoy and Willey tomorrow how do you think we finish the year?
Hard to say. There are a lot of weird unknowns to account for in the answer
Wiley ** Disclaimer: I think Wiley is good not great
- Team Chemistry: We only have 40m to give at C and Spencer/McElmore both have elevated their game/deserve minutes. We also have a great rotation at 4/PF so can't just move them
Wiley also ate up a lot of touches last year w a KenPom 25% possession%. That is a huge jump from 15% that Anfernee/Horace use which means less shots for everyone else
- Offense: Wiley would be a conundrum as his strengths/game doesn't fit nicely into Bruces modified flex. I think we'd improve but I don't think it will be crazy as the rest of the O would take a step back
- Defense: Wiley would in general be a downgrade on defense. He isn't the rebounder that either McElmore/Spencer is, his shot blocking was good but still not their level + Wiley doesn't cover spacing or run the floor as well. But Wiley would be huge against elite heavy big men + would protect us when in foul trouble having 3 C
Purifoy
Team Chemistry: I believe Purifoy would be more or less seamless inclusion. Harper/Brown already play too much out of necessity, while Heron prefers playing the 2. Purifoy would get minutes at the margins of a few guys + be a utility 4 when Okeke/Murray get in trouble
As for possession usage, Purifoy both pre/post injury hovered around 18%possession% which is below avg (1/5=20%). Purifoys minutes also would be from high volume players so this would suggest more touches for those on the floor
Offense
Purifoy is a natural fit skill wise for the offense. He'd provide the SF/wing 3FG threat we are missing, pre injury he was a capable driver w higher ceiling and his athleticism would be a hard matchup.
BBall IQ wise, there are concerns. Purifoy run sets well last year + didn't show scorers instincts. Without game experience this year, hard to tell if he has developed in that regard
Defense
Purifoy should be a positive defensive addition. His length/athleticism give him the tools to be a good defender
Pre injury, Purifoy was a shite defender because his lack of basketball awareness not "effort" He simply would be caught out of position because he didn't know better
Assuming Purifoy becomes just an avg awareness player, he should be a neutral defensive effect. Heron isn't great at the 3 either
Rebounding wise, Purifoy was one of the better guys pre injury. Averaged about 7 a game. Purifoy would be a slight step back vs Heron, but Heron would be a huge upgrade over Brown/Mitchell at the 2
Overall Effect
I'd say we probably win maybe 1 at most 2 more games at most if we add Purifoy/Wiley right now mid season. I'd think that we'd be a better more dangerous team though
24-8 12-6 SEC
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What about if neither play again?
I'd think now we go 22-9 or 23-8 so 10-11W in conference
I'd say the difference is if Heron stops playing like shite. We are struggling to consistently make good looks for 40m. If we don't get someone to be a kickout wing 3FG threat other than inconsistent Brown or great drive & finish around the rim we will struggle
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 12:44 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 6:11 am to Smoke7024
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Other guys on the team have also improved. I
Spencer has really developed.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 7:00 am to makersmark1
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Spencer has really developed.
He is giving us great minutes, always hustling and at time being an offensive weapon. It's been huge. McElmore and Spencer are a huge part of why we are top 10 in 2FG%
Bruce (likely Harris Adler too) deserves a ton of credit as well. Our implementation of the 1-1-3 matchup zone has been a huge success thus far. Especially being short staffed
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 7:04 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 7:56 am to GenesChin
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Our implementation of the 1-1-3 matchup zone has been a huge success thus far.
Can you please go into further depth on this? Is this something you think we should have done let season and how does it make us more successful?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:24 am to GenesChin
quote:awesome answer
GenesChin
My other crazy theory: with Person being arrested and other staffers being dismissed it has forced Bruce back into more of an on court coaching role whereas up until this year at AU he has been more of an ambassador. I dont mean he didnt coach but I think he spent way more time trying to get the fans engaged and the program some exposure.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 8:50 am to SlimCharles140
Free throws. This team makes them in clutch time and that is a happy improvement .
Posted on 1/3/18 at 9:19 am to SlimCharles140
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Bruce back into more of an on court coaching role whereas up until this year at AU he has been more of an ambassador.
I've talked to someone about this and was told BP is a lot More in the weeds if coaching and the staff is having to grind really hard. They are missing 3 key assistants, 2 that did a lot of the 'young man' film/prep grunt work.
The vibe I get is that the staff is tired, exhausted and stressed... but they love every minute of it. It isn't sustainable multiple seasons, but they are embracing it this year
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I dont mean he didnt coach but I think he spent way more time trying to get the fans engaged and the program some exposure.
He still spends a lot of time doing this. It's part of who he is
This post was edited on 1/5/18 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:04 am to GenesChin
The biggest area having Wiley and Purifoy would help this team is in matchups with bigger teams. Last night have a glimpse at how we can get in trouble defending against good offensive post players.
However, as good as I think Wiley is, Bruce would have to be really smart in how he incorporated him. He could make us much better in our half court sets offensively, but could really clog up a lot of the other stuff we do that has worked well so far.
Also, we have the ability to switch almost every screen if we want to right now (except for with Harper). We lose that with Wiley on the court.
However, as good as I think Wiley is, Bruce would have to be really smart in how he incorporated him. He could make us much better in our half court sets offensively, but could really clog up a lot of the other stuff we do that has worked well so far.
Also, we have the ability to switch almost every screen if we want to right now (except for with Harper). We lose that with Wiley on the court.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:09 am to PearlJam
We would definitely have to slow it down with Wiley on the court, but as you said it would help greatly with out half court sets. He would be someone that when threes aren't falling we can get the ball to and let him take over.
Also, he won't get the blocks that Anfernee gets but he probably affects shots more.
Also, he won't get the blocks that Anfernee gets but he probably affects shots more.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:30 am to AA7
I think Wiley might hurt us offense. Shooting 3s and getting to the rim is what the math says to do. There is a reason that the post game is going away in the NBA. Wiley would clog the lane and hurt our spacing. (Edit: obviously the NBA is not perfectly analogous to the college game, and Wiley would still be a nice piece offensively that could really take advantage of some matchups and dominate lesser post defenders similar to the Alabama game @ home last year. Just think overall he might hurt our efficiency if he takes away to many minutes from the current front court)
Defensively, Wiley would be a good addition, especially against teams that aren't as great from the perimeter.
Purifoy would be a nice offensive addition, spacing the floor for the guards to drive. Defensively he needed to figure things out, who knows where he is now on that front.
Obviously having both these guys back would be a big positive because they are both good players, and would make our depth obscene
Defensively, Wiley would be a good addition, especially against teams that aren't as great from the perimeter.
Purifoy would be a nice offensive addition, spacing the floor for the guards to drive. Defensively he needed to figure things out, who knows where he is now on that front.
Obviously having both these guys back would be a big positive because they are both good players, and would make our depth obscene
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:34 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:36 am to Cocotheape
quote:we could accomplish the same thing feeding the post and kicking it for spot up 3s. However, it would change our style and I'm not sure for the better. We would have to be able to play 2 different styles of offense...1 with Wiley on the court and 1 without. It would be beautiful if we could pull it off, but we would run the risk of losing our flow/identity.
Shooting 3s and getting to the rim is what the math says to do. There is a reason that the post game is going away in the NBA. Wiley would clog the lane and hurt our spacing.
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Obviously having both these guys back would be a big positive because they are both good players, and would make our depth obscene
Yeah, I still think adding 1 or 2 really talented players is a net positive, but there are risks and issues to deal with.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:44 am
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:47 am to AUNashville
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Can you please go into further depth on this?
First, the 1-1-3 matchup I think fits naturally into what we do and isn't a replacement for our base man to man defense. I think we have a lot of success deploying both looks throughout a game, that confuses opponents and challenges offenses' recognition
I can try, probably best for you to ask questions but I can give some basics. I'm no expert so if anyone wants to correct me, go ahead
The 1-1-3 matchup we play looks to me like the old Lute Olsen defenses at Arizona in the 90s/early 00s, not the heavy trapping 1-1-3 "Amoeba" that Tark ran at UNLV. I'm not an expert on the differences though, so I could be wrong and wouldn't give a great explanation on them
1-1-3 Basic Philosophy:
- Crowds the paint and gives a lot of help inside drives
- Ability to quick doubling of any post entrance passes from the 5 and wings (3/4)
- Don't need to chase cutters into the lane by passing off responsibility
- Forces ball to one side of the court
So effectively you are in a zone defense unless you are the on ball defender. To give you an idea how to recognize it
The two 1s roles swap/rotate throughout the possession but basically
First 1/upguard (starts to defend at around half court)- Apply early, heavy ball pressure to force ball handler to pick side of the court
Second 1/backguard (Starts around the FT line)- Deny entrance into the key on high post passes or drives. Draw
The back 3 line does a lot but easy/lazy explanation is that they look somewhat similar to a hyper aggressive 2-3 backline in form.
1-1-3 Pros
-Uses on ball man concepts, so most skills/techniques translate from our base man defense
-Easily formed after full court press compared to man (find your place not your man)
-Can easily switch from man to matchup zone, causing recognition /strategy confusion for offense
-Should help with foul trouble I'd think
-Rim protector isn't pulled away from the basket by a stretch big
1-1-3 Cons
- Requires a full team effort + communication to call out cutters, passes and responsibility changes
- Team needs to be aggressive rebounders (hard to rebound out of zone)
- Can be picked apart by good passing teams, weak spots in the corner/baseline + wings
- Requires full hustle, all the time unless you want a lot of open 3s
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Is this something you think we should have done let season
I mean, probably a good argument for that but I wouldn't judge Bruce over it. Bruce's background is as a man to man coach, it's a big deal when man coaches start implementing zone ( CBS wrote an entire article about Duke using zone instead of man)
Auburn last year struggled with basic man concepts so hard to imagine adding a new D that Bruce isn't familiar with would have been a game changer anyways.
Lute Olsen though talks in an old video about how he started as a man coach, didn't want to put in the zone originally but came to embrace the matchup zone. I imagine that the 1-1-3 isn't going away at Auburn unless opponents consistently beat it
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:54 am to GenesChin
quote:To me, this has been one of the biggest benefits we have had using it that I have noticed. Teams are late recognizing the zone and getting into their zone sets. You are also able to start the possession in this defense and switch to straight man rather seamlessly in the middle of a possession to further confuse the offense.
Can easily switch from man to matchup zone, causing recognition /strategy confusion for offense
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:55 am
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