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re: Rumored/Hired Assistant Coaches (Rocker Out, Eason In)
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:52 pm to TheJones
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:52 pm to TheJones
Fair. It is one of those things with Gus that it got to a point that it was pretty clear schematically he was falling behind, and it definitely hurt his recruiting. At that point, yea you need to stop being a dictator and get help, or you'll be gone which is what happened.
If Harsin can build the culture and staff he wants, go for it and win with it. If he can't do it solely with who he wants, then go out and find the people to help. It is what Dabo did at Clemson. He found what he was good and wasn't good at, and then brought in people to spearhead his offense and defense and let him do what he is good at.
Saban is the opposite of Dabo in a lot of ways. Both options work, you just need to make sure you have the right people.
If Harsin can build the culture and staff he wants, go for it and win with it. If he can't do it solely with who he wants, then go out and find the people to help. It is what Dabo did at Clemson. He found what he was good and wasn't good at, and then brought in people to spearhead his offense and defense and let him do what he is good at.
Saban is the opposite of Dabo in a lot of ways. Both options work, you just need to make sure you have the right people.
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:54 pm to jt33
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I see the same thing.. Lot of guys his has a history with or some kind of connection. I'm guessing the OC and DC's still interviewed them and we're fine with it them though.
Honestly think the biggest reason why TWill wasn’t even considered is because Harsin really, really likes Schmedding and knew he was coming with him to Auburn. Previous DC/ILB coach. That’s his guy. And Mason, if Auburn is successful, just might not be a long term DC. At 51, he’s young enough to be serious about another head coaching gig, sooner than later
It’s impressive to me that Harsin and Mason have two younger, former DCs as position coaches (although Watts is coaching ST too). Seems clear that he sees defensive coordinator material out of both of those guys once they have a few years of SEC experience under their belts
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:57 pm to TheJones
I think its expected for him to be heavily involved when assembling a completely new staff. When a coach needs to be replaced, it'll be interesting to see what approach he takes. How involved will the OC/DC be in the process? Just based off the current hires, it seems like he was open to suggestions from Bobo at least
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:02 pm to TheJones
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It’s impressive to me that Harsin and Mason have two younger, former DCs as position coaches (although Watts is coaching ST too). Seems clear that he sees defensive coordinator material out of both of those guys once they have a few years of SEC experience under their belts
Very much agree here.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:04 pm to The Nino
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Just based off the current hires, it seems like he was open to suggestions from Bobo at least
Which is interesting since offense is his background. Did seem like he was slightly less involved in some of those decisions. That’s just a guess, though. He did bring Bedell over from Boise.
Maybe he knows he’s gotta check his bias. That’d be a nice change of pace
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:06 pm to TheJones
quote:I thought exactly the same. I held onto hope, but the Schmedding hire pretty much sealed it. It didn't make sense for TWill to take a demotion to just coaching OLBs.
Honestly think the biggest reason why TWill wasn’t even considered is because Harsin really, really likes Schmedding and knew he was coming with him to Auburn. Previous DC/ILB coach. That’s his guy. And Mason, if Auburn is successful, just might not be a long term DC. At 51, he’s young enough to be serious about another head coaching gig, sooner than later
The thing that will be interested to watch to me is with so many former DCs how quickly do they get on the same page or do they have different ideas and clash? I think it will be interesting to follow.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:07 pm to TheJones
If I'm not mistaken half the staff has OC or DC experience. Bobo, Friend, Mason, Schmedding, Watts. Can't be a bad thing.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:11 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Compartmentalization
I mean the head coach should have some pretty serious input on the position coaches. I think most of people's issues with Gus was more that the positional coaches he hired, basically only ever coached for him. Every coach is going to have their guys, it is usually nice to have guys that have coached elsewhere before and had some success.
I think Auburn fans would have no problem with a head coach being a dictator of the program, you just better succeed at what you do
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Anyone else noticing Harsin heavily influencing the position coach hires?
... is the term I'm thinking. Where not only does each part bring a different look at a similar task, they're also professionals that know this is just another stop. Like in the movie Moneyball, where Jonah Hill has to fire Carlos, and he simply says is that all (instead of losing it). Gus hired buddies, old players, Auburn guys an then instead of staying bye-bye he meddled with their parts. Harsin seems to be setting the stage for making business decisions by bringing in old familiars (that he can count on) and others that'll function fine here or else where. And that's good for everybody.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:12 pm to AUEE13
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If I'm not mistaken half the staff has OC or DC experience. Bobo, Friend, Mason, Schmedding, Watts. Can't be a bad thing.
There’s the cooks in the kitchen argument to be made, I think.
But Schmedding was a G5 coordinator and Watts was greatly humbled by that 2019 season at Fresno, I imagine. Plus they’re under Mason who quite clearly has the success and experience that both of those guys are aiming for.
Bobo and Friend have previous experience working with eachother and there’s clearly a desire to recapture that experience.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:16 pm to TheJones
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But Schmedding was a G5 coordinator and Watts was greatly humbled by that 2019 season at Fresno, I imagine. Plus they’re under Mason who quite clearly has the success and experience that both of those guys are aiming for.
Bobo and Friend have previous experience working with eachother and there’s clearly a desire to recapture that experience.
Yea, I can definitely see a scenario where you get a lot of competing opinions, but as you said, Mason being the DC I think pretty much squashes that. The defensive staff have all had success, but nothing like his. Him having HC experience I think will greatly help keep a singular vision on that side of the ball.
Offensively, i'm not worried from that perspective. I think Bobo and Harsin are very familiar with each other, so I have a feeling they will have some very similar views on how to run things.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:21 pm to awestruck
Interesting statistical factoid:
Boise State played Fresno State four times in 2017-18, when Watts was their DC (they didn't play in 2019): Once each year in the regular season, and again in the MWC Championship Game. They split both years (BSU lost the regular season matchup and won the MWCCG in '17, and then won in the RS in '18 but lost the CG).
In 26 games over those two years, BSU was held below 21 points only 4 times. Fresno held them to 17 or less in 3 of their meetings (the other time they scored 24).
Boise State played Fresno State four times in 2017-18, when Watts was their DC (they didn't play in 2019): Once each year in the regular season, and again in the MWC Championship Game. They split both years (BSU lost the regular season matchup and won the MWCCG in '17, and then won in the RS in '18 but lost the CG).
In 26 games over those two years, BSU was held below 21 points only 4 times. Fresno held them to 17 or less in 3 of their meetings (the other time they scored 24).
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:21 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
There’s valid criticisms and concerns regarding individual components of the staff. They’ve been well hashed I think. But I like the makeup of each unit as a whole now that we have a complete view of it.
I’m not going full sunshine posibarner here but I like that this looks and feels different. And I withhold the right to change my mind if it ends up sucking
I’m not going full sunshine posibarner here but I like that this looks and feels different. And I withhold the right to change my mind if it ends up sucking
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:23 pm to FearlessFreep
They had a very solid defense in 2018. 2019, I have no idea what went wrong that season, or if they were really young or what.
I did see that their QB threw 11 interceptions that season, so that probably didn't help things at all.
I did see that their QB threw 11 interceptions that season, so that probably didn't help things at all.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:26 pm to TheJones
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I’m not going full sunshine posibarner here but I like that this looks and feels different. And I withhold the right to change my mind if it ends up sucking
100% agree. It definitely has a feel of a staff with a purpose to mesh together. I didn't necessarily always get that feel from Gus staffs. They felt at times, like more of individual components thrown in together in a pot.
May work out or may not, but as a poster had said a while back, I can see potential in a lot of them. They are the Luper type coaches before they were hired at OK State or wherever type of thing. They may be busts, but as you said, I definitely like the different feel I get for the program as a whole.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:28 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Their O faltered that year so the D was on the field a lot. I watched a lot of their games those years when I could. I usually watch a lot of MWC games for some reason...I like some of the teams and how competitive they are. Much like I watched most of CCU make their run this year...
I did see that their QB threw 11 interceptions that season, so that probably didn't help things at all.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:39 pm to jt33
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Its 100% not true. TWill remained neutral with all the coaching stuff, which caused some issues because other coaches wanted him to pick sides. We're were in it with Mondon and others until the rumors of Gus being fired got started. Both of these post are complete BS.
I've heard the same thing from multiple people - repeated over the span of multiple months. He got his clock cleaned in recruiting. Mondon was never coming here - he fell for the "yeah coach I'm coming" schtick, meanwhile he was telling the same thing thing to UGA and probably others as well. The timing of what you just claimed doesn't even make sense: Mondon COMMITTED to UGA on November 18th. At that point we were 4-2 and coming off an absolute beatdown of LSU and a win vs. Ole Miss the week prior. Three days after he committed we beat Tennessee and were 5-2. I don't remember any heavy rumors about Gus being fired at that point in the season, that stuff didn't even really start PUBLICLY until after the Alabama game. Yeah there were people calling for him to be fired after the USCe loss, but at that point the story was STILL that there was no way he was going to be fired due to the buyout. "We'll right the ship" and all that bullshite.
Even the part about it being this big demotion to OLB coach isn't true. Kevin Steele is a LB coach by trade and was involved there, even if it wasn't in his title. Al Pogue was also already roving and helping with the EDGE's. And if you really think about it; we were in 4-2-5 for most of the season anyway so "LB coach" was already limited in how much responsibility he held.
The reality is that Harsin had no intention of retaining him and he just went out and talked extensively about the importance of Caddy, Etheridge, Rocker and their "commitment to AU" as former players and what that brings to a program. Now he came here and already had a former AU player at LB coach, young and exciting/well-liked by the fans, had some success in recruiting, etc, etc. Why wasn't he retained? None of it is true, right? Meanwhile the story from day one was that Steele, Rocker, and T-Will were out. Harsin comes in and surprise surprise the three guys I was constantly hearing bad things about are not part of the staff.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:55 pm to metafour
Yeah none of that is true and I'm not wasting my time replying to individual parts of it. You keep believing what you want.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 3:58 pm to jt33
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Yeah none of that is true and I'm not wasting my time replying to individual parts of it. You keep believing what you want.
Gus Malzahn was "rumored to be fired" after the LSU beatdown?
Take your beatdown and go home.
Why isn't T-Will here right now? What do you think?
Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:01 pm to metafour
I would have rather retained Twill than Cadillac, but that’s just my opinion.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 4:05 pm to metafour
It's so fricking obvious for anyone who wants to open their eyes. There was literally no reason for anyone to "bad mouth" T-Will. He was essentially seen as a knight in shining armor on this staff. So if all these stories are all BS, who started them and why? Why start that to hurt a beloved former Auburn player who was basically one of the most "pristine" coaches on Malzahn's staff?
Most of this shite is coming from people who were hyping T-Will up a year or two ago. "Next DC at Auburn once Steele retires. He's going to be a star". Flash forward to this year and the same people did a 180.
Then Harsin comes in and on-paper retaining T-Will seems like a no-brainer. He has half the fanbase Tweeting at him to retain T-Will. And he still doesn't retain him. He also doesn't retain the two other guys who were implicated in BS this season. Surprise surprise. But he retains Caddy?
Most of this shite is coming from people who were hyping T-Will up a year or two ago. "Next DC at Auburn once Steele retires. He's going to be a star". Flash forward to this year and the same people did a 180.
Then Harsin comes in and on-paper retaining T-Will seems like a no-brainer. He has half the fanbase Tweeting at him to retain T-Will. And he still doesn't retain him. He also doesn't retain the two other guys who were implicated in BS this season. Surprise surprise. But he retains Caddy?
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 4:07 pm
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