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re: Projecting where Auburn players will be selected in NFL Draft
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:52 pm to AUtigerNOLA
Posted on 4/26/19 at 9:52 pm to AUtigerNOLA
Good luck recruiting ??
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:06 pm to auburnnyc94
Jamel Dean drafted.
Haha I edited
Haha I edited
This post was edited on 4/26/19 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:14 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 4/26/19 at 10:37 pm to auburnnyc94
Yep. It's hard to sell kids when you can't get anyone drafted.
Posted on 4/26/19 at 11:58 pm to jvilletiger25
A lot of defensive guys that we recruit are undersized for their positions for NFL. They do great in college but they’re not great candidates for early draft rounds. See Lawson, Monty, Davis, Holland, etc. Only a handful stand out as prototypical size for the position.
Offense is always going to be a tough sell unless they’re dominant. We just haven’t had that in recent years. Johnson probably goes in the 1st without the injury concerns. Smith likely would have if not for the auburn OL perception.
We get a lot of guys that we otherwise wouldn’t because our coaches use their size well. There’s a reason why Pappoe was so comfortable committing here despite the lack of LBs put into the NFL in comparison to his other options. Our whole LB depth chart is smaller than most in the SEC, aside from South Carolina, who favors similar players.
It’s just reality. We can run more pro schemes like Ole Miss and MSU but they’re worse than we are on the field
and the only benefit will be a better draft class.
Offense is always going to be a tough sell unless they’re dominant. We just haven’t had that in recent years. Johnson probably goes in the 1st without the injury concerns. Smith likely would have if not for the auburn OL perception.
We get a lot of guys that we otherwise wouldn’t because our coaches use their size well. There’s a reason why Pappoe was so comfortable committing here despite the lack of LBs put into the NFL in comparison to his other options. Our whole LB depth chart is smaller than most in the SEC, aside from South Carolina, who favors similar players.
It’s just reality. We can run more pro schemes like Ole Miss and MSU but they’re worse than we are on the field
and the only benefit will be a better draft class.Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:36 am to TheJones
I think it’s a little bit of both. Obviously our offensive scheme is very anti NFL and that leads to very successful guys like Nick Marshall going undraftesd and high level guys like Braden smith dropping a bit.
I definitely think the development could be better though.
I definitely think the development could be better though.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:40 am to Skyler97
I agree, FWIW. Smith and Carlton should have been first rounders. They have the size and ability but weren’t complete enough players for a team to reach. There’s other examples of NFL sized guys taken late, too.
Most of it has been that our best players have been undersized, though. That has potential to change next season with two 6’5 DL in Coe and Brown. Brown is close to a lock on the DL and Coe needs a great season on the edge to get there. I don’t think he gets there, but Wanogho also has the size and athleticism at tackle to do it. He would need a very dominant season, however.
Most of it has been that our best players have been undersized, though. That has potential to change next season with two 6’5 DL in Coe and Brown. Brown is close to a lock on the DL and Coe needs a great season on the edge to get there. I don’t think he gets there, but Wanogho also has the size and athleticism at tackle to do it. He would need a very dominant season, however.
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Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:57 am to TheJones
This was always going to be a down year for us draft wise... Next year is our year though. Brown, Coe, and Davidson all have a chance to be 1st round picks. Prince Tega, Dinson, Thomas and Javaris Davis will all be drafted and you have someone like Iggy who could go pro if he has a big season... and who knows with guys like Harrell, Horton, Driscoll and Cannella who are all seniors, but could maybe sneak in at the end of the draft.
I'm guessing Stidham and Slayton come off the board today. Maybe Russell too.
I'm guessing Stidham and Slayton come off the board today. Maybe Russell too.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:20 am to jt33
Marlon Davidson has zero chance of ever being a first round pick. He will be lucky to even be drafted. He is the epitome of overhyped and underachieving... How many sacks and TFLs does he have in 3 entire years as a starter???
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 1:34 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:50 am to BuckFama334
Davidson has 126 tackles, 17 for a loss, and 9.5 sacks. His hurries and FG blocks are both among the tops in the nation, I believe.
For reference, Rashan Gary was drafted #12 overall with equal stats. I don’t think Davidson is a first rounder but he’s not far off as you may think. Disruption pays
For reference, Rashan Gary was drafted #12 overall with equal stats. I don’t think Davidson is a first rounder but he’s not far off as you may think. Disruption pays
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 1:51 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:57 am to BuckFama334
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He will be lucky to even be drafted
Well that's just dumb
Posted on 4/27/19 at 8:29 am to BowlJackson
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This was always going to be a down year for us draft wise... Next year is our year though. Brown, Coe, and Davidson all have a chance to be 1st round picks. Prince Tega, Dinson, Thomas and Javaris Davis will all be drafted and you have someone like Iggy who could go pro if he has a big season... and who knows with guys like Harrell, Horton, Driscoll and Cannella who are all seniors, but could maybe sneak in at the end of the draft. I'm guessing Stidham and Slayton come off the board today. Maybe Russell too.
I think for top 10 recruiting most of the last 6 years we would have better NFL results.
But i think we have not had a 1st or 2nd round draftee in 6 out of the last 7 years. This year we only got one in the 3rd.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 9:47 am to BuckFama334
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How many sacks and TFLs does he have in 3 entire years as a starter???
He is a SDE not a Buck
We ask Marlon to set the edge more often than not. He's done pretty well in that role
Pretty well isn't close to RD1 pick but he'll get drafted with a solid SR season
This post was edited on 4/27/19 at 9:48 am
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:39 pm to GenesChin
Stidham to the Pats in the 4th
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:40 pm to TheJones
Interesting. Too bad Bill won’t be there for too much longer, but not a bad spot to fall at all.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:46 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Perfect spot for Stidham. And for the record I never said Marlon wouldbe a first rounder. I just said he would have a chance. If he has a big season its not out of the question.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:50 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Brady’s backup is one of the more lucrative spots to be in as a QB
Posted on 4/27/19 at 12:54 pm to TheJones
Yes and to be able to learn from Tom would be more invaluable. Tom doesn’t have but a couple of years left anyway.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:02 pm to TheJones
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A lot of defensive guys that we recruit are undersized for their positions for NFL. They do great in college but they’re not great candidates for early draft rounds. See Lawson, Monty, Davis, Holland, etc. Only a handful stand out as prototypical size for the position.
What?
Lawson was short, but he didn't drop because he was "small". He was almost 260 pounds of pure muscle. He fell because he got flagged for some medical stuff at the Combine on top of his already known injuries. His height isn't ideal, but Dwight Freeney went 11th overall at the exact same height. He easily goes in the 1st round with clean medicals.
On what planet was Montravius Adams undersized? He measured 6'4 305 pounds at the Combine which is perfect size for a pass-rushing/penetrating DT. His problem was inconsistency, which is an issue with a lot of Garner's DL who seem to disappear at times regardless of how good/athletic they are.
Deshaun Davis isn't much of a prospect because he lacks NFL athleticism, it isn't because he is a few inches shorter than ideal. Devin Bush just went 11th overall as a 5'11 235 pound LB - basically the exact same measurements as Davis. The difference is that Bush is an NFL athlete who can run, whereas Davis is stiff and a liability in the pass-oriented NFL wherein he can't be expected to provide pass coverage, especially against these rangy TE's which you are seeing a lot of teams employing. Yes he is marginally "undersized", but none of that shite matters if you can run and have explosiveness. Devin Bush has that hence he goes 11th overall, Deshaun Davis doesn't. BTW Devin White - who went 5th overall - is also "only" 6'0 235-240 pounds. Again, like Devin Bush, he is an NFL athlete. Do you see what I'm getting at here?
Holland - same thing. Just an OK athlete. If he were more explosive/faster then the fact that he's a bit smaller than ideal wouldn't matter. You talk as if these guys are 30-40 pounds undersized when in fact they are all just marginally undersized.
Posted on 4/27/19 at 1:36 pm to metafour
The point is that they were all elite college players and for one reason or another they didn’t go in the first round. The point didn’t hinge on their size. You’d know that if you read more of the thread. And yes, ideal size and projectability is a massive part of it. Some because they don’t have ideal size for NFL roles. Some because of injury history, some because of the perception of our O, the list goes on. But it’s not due to poor recruiting or development as the poster I initially responded to suggested.
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