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Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:56 pm to TheSandman
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To be fair, Paul was all about kicking people out of his churches ca. 51-68
He was also about restoring them and bringing them back into the church.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:58 pm to AU4real35
Yeah but now you're skipping down to step three of his rehab plan when we haven't even managed step one 
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:07 pm to TheSandman
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:46 pm to Weagle25
This is one of the best posts I've seen on here (page 1, not sure how many responses you had in this thread Weagle25).
These immature youngins' have a lot to learn how this crazy world really operates.
Nice job
These immature youngins' have a lot to learn how this crazy world really operates.
Nice job
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:51 pm to Weagle25
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I honestly don't understand why everyone always freak out when someone prays
That's not why people are "freaking out", just because he prayed. We pray before every football game, nobody cares. It is that he is in power and responsible for quite a lot of terrible things that are happening in the AD and trying to portray a victim-hood and hide behind a your faith that you are a good person is just sleazy.
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You think the guy is just trying to appear as a devout Christian when he's really not? Who cares. It's not your place to judge anyways.
Well, considering he is running the athletic department that we all pay for, it kind of is our place.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:13 pm to allin2010
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But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.
Do you like that one better? Or this one:
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Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Again...I don't know why we're trying to make something out of this. He more than likely prays before every single meeting he has with his employees and they all are probably fine with that. He is their leader, he feels that it is his responsibility.
Its not like we've found a little trouble and all of a sudden decided to go all 'holier than thou'
He's made 3 major mistakes in his time. Only one could probably be tied back to his morality (mistake #3 below).
1. Hiring a 5-19 coach to be the leader of a football team.
2. Hiring Sonny Golloway without properly vetting his reputation.
3. Not firing Corey Myers on the spot when this stuff surfaced, but was kept mostly quiet last year.
Its not like we've found a little trouble and all of a sudden decided to go all 'holier than thou'
He's made 3 major mistakes in his time. Only one could probably be tied back to his morality (mistake #3 below).
1. Hiring a 5-19 coach to be the leader of a football team.
2. Hiring Sonny Golloway without properly vetting his reputation.
3. Not firing Corey Myers on the spot when this stuff surfaced, but was kept mostly quiet last year.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:25 pm to AUjim
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Again...I don't know why we're trying to make something out of this. He more than likely prays before every single meeting he has with his employees and they all are probably fine with that. He is their leader, he feels that it is his responsibility.
Well, it probably has something to do with the "tent revival" part of the comment. That makes it sound very different than the usual meetings. It does make it seem like he is going for a "we're so innocent" vibe to try and keep support on his side.
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He's made 3 major mistakes in his time. Only one could probably be tied back to his morality (mistake #3 below).
I've dealt with him personally and caught him in multiple lies. I question his morality based on my interactions with him, not on how he's run our AD.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:31 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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"tent revival"
I took this to be dramatization by Phillip Marshall, because thats what Phillip Marshall does.
I've met him a couple times and see him on Sunday mornings fairly oftenish...he's always been consistent and seemingly genuine to me, and I'm a pretty skeptical, cynical bastard...but if you've had higher level, personal dealings with him in which you think he was less than honest, I can respect your observation-thats at least a better basis for your argument than what most of the Bozos around here are clamoring about.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:40 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I've dealt with him personally and caught him in multiple lies. I question his morality based on my interactions with him, not on how he's run our AD.
There are a lot of good reasons why an AD wouldn't be straight with someone. There are also plenty of reasons why situations change that would make an AD change their tune.
The more concerning thing is that the AD can't craft his message to ensure it doesn't come across as "lying"
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:42 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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That's not why people are "freaking out", just because he prayed.
It's exactly why people are freaking out. Any time someone prays or talks about their faith when they are in a position of power, they get chastised as some sleazy person who's faking it.
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We pray before every football game, nobody cares. It is that he is in power
No one cares when football players do it because it's not really reported. For example, Tebow's faith got media coverage and he got blasted for it.
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trying to portray a victim-hood and hide behind a your faith that you are a good person is just sleazy.
Who says he was portraying victim-hood? Does he do this all the time or is this the first time? Just because this is the first time it's being reported doesn't mean it's the first time he's done it. You have to jump to a lot of conclusions to get where you are.
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Well, considering he is running the athletic department that we all pay for, it kind of is our place.
Not even close. Why does it matter if he's a true Christian or not to you? Does that effect your opinion on whether he's a good AD or not? No. The fact that he is a christian or not has nothing to do with the fact that he's our AD. God is the only one who's in a position to judge someone's faith. I'm fine with you judging on whether he's a fit for the job or not based on his actions but not based on what you believe his faith is.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:43 pm to AUjim
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:46 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Well, it probably has something to do with the "tent revival" part of the comment. That makes it sound very different than the usual meetings. It does make it seem like he is going for a "we're so innocent" vibe to try and keep support on his side.
You could do the same prayer over and over again. When you're winning, no one will say anything. Then you start losing and they make comments like "tent revival"
Were the prayers any different? No. How it's perceived is very different though.
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:51 pm to Weagle25
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It's exactly why people are freaking out. Any time someone prays or talks about their faith when they are in a position of power, they get chastised as some sleazy person who's faking it.
No, not it's not. We are Auburn fans, everyone here is use to Christianity being pretty prevalent in our programs. That isn't new. As I said before, the part that probably irked people, me included, is the "tent revival" comment by PM.
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No one cares when football players do it because it's not really reported. For example, Tebow's faith got media coverage and he got blasted for it.
Actually, most Auburn fans are behind our players whenever they pray. I think you're projecting your feelings about society in general to what you are assuming people are getting upset about in this thread.
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Does he do this all the time or is this the first time?
Does he do a "tent revival" all the time? I doubt it or there would be no reason to report it like that as seemingly the first time.
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Why does it matter if he's a true Christian or not to you? Does that effect your opinion on whether he's a good AD or not? No. The fact that he is a christian or not has nothing to do with the fact that he's our AD.
Where did I say it mattered to me if he was a Christian or not? What matters to me is what you say vs what you do. That does effect how good he is as an AD. If he runs his AD poorly but hides behind a veil of righteousness to win sympathy and avoid consequences, that is a very bad thing.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:52 pm to Weagle25
Who the f is Michael McBride Chief Revenue Officer?
What the f does a "Chief Revenue Officer" do and how is it different than a CFO?
We're at 4 C level athletics managers
-CFO
-CMO
-COO
-CRO
What the f does a "Chief Revenue Officer" do and how is it different than a CFO?
We're at 4 C level athletics managers
-CFO
-CMO
-COO
-CRO
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:53 pm to AUjim
Didn't that 5-19 coach win a national championship?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:54 pm to GenesChin
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There are a lot of good reasons why an AD wouldn't be straight with someone. There are also plenty of reasons why situations change that would make an AD change their tune.
The more concerning thing is that the AD can't craft his message to ensure it doesn't come across as "lying"
Sure. That has not been the case. In my specific dealings, he just lied, got called out for doing so, then tried to act like it never happened. I've always been vocal on my displeasure of him as an AD. I have seen him act very different than how he appears to most, and it will forever ruin my opinion of him.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:56 pm to Weagle25
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You could do the same prayer over and over again. When you're winning, no one will say anything. Then you start losing and they make comments like "tent revival"
No tent revivals in 2012 or 2008 then?
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Were the prayers any different? No. How it's perceived is very different though.
You don't know that at all. All that is known was that the actions were enough for PM to report them as a "tent revival". That does not lead one to believe they are business as usual.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 3:58 pm to GenesChin
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Who the f is Michael McBride Chief Revenue Officer?
What the f does a "Chief Revenue Officer" do and how is it different than a CFO?
We're at 4 C level athletics managers
-CFO
-CMO
-COO
-CRO
A CFO and CRO seem like they'd do a ton of the same stuff to me. What is CMO?
ET: Chief Marketing officer?
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 3:59 pm
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