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re: Next Auburn basketball coach?
Posted on 2/16/13 at 10:14 pm to DyeHardDylan
Posted on 2/16/13 at 10:14 pm to DyeHardDylan
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At some point you have to stop blaming someone.
Obama says wtf? Where George at?
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Posted on 2/16/13 at 11:05 pm to DyeHardDylan
Sir Chaz.
Barkley, not bono.
Barkley, not bono.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 4:17 am to beatbammer
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Haaaaahahahahahahaha!!!
You certainly would never have heard me being in the former group back when he hadn't signed his contract. But anyway, there is a middle ground between not having a contract and giving a brand new coach an idiotic buy out clause. Who gives a brand new coach a 5 year buy out clause at half his salary?
Posted on 2/17/13 at 6:46 am to DyeHardDylan
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Basketball is the easiest sport to rebuild with, and Tony Barbee hasn't cut it. We've been absolutely abysmal since he's been here.
I've been saying this for a while now. A basketball program can be turned around with one recruiting class or really just one great player.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 8:23 am to auyushu
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Who gives a brand new coach a 5 year buy out clause at half his salary?
Jay mf'n Jacobs
Posted on 2/17/13 at 9:12 am to Aubie Spr96
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I've been saying this for a while now. A basketball program can be turned around with one recruiting class or really just one great player.
Absolutely, one good player can turn a .500 team into an NIT team. Shaq Johnson was one of the best recruits and he looks lost half the time he's on the court, not to mention he's probably the worst shooting guard on the team and get's in foul trouble too easily. Chubb hasn't gotten any better in 3 years. We have 3 seniors on the court, any time that happens you usually make a run to the tourny.
204th in ppg = No offensive gameplan
164th in rpg = Bad fundamentals
183rd in assisnt per game = too much 1 on 1 dribbling not enough passing.
271st in fgp = taking bad shots / out of position / bad offensie sets / too much 1 on 1.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:08 am to AUtigR24
You guys make it sound like finding one good player in recruiting is easy.
Poster: It only takes one good player to turn around an entire program!!!! Basketball is the easiest sport to rebuild!!!!
Logic: Well there are 300+ other programs looking for the exact same thing.. making that turnaround pretty damn difficult.
Poster: It only takes one good player to turn around an entire program!!!! Basketball is the easiest sport to rebuild!!!!
Logic: Well there are 300+ other programs looking for the exact same thing.. making that turnaround pretty damn difficult.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:19 am to Rig
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Well there are 300+ other programs looking for the exact same thing.. making that turnaround pretty damn difficult
You make it sound like AU shouldn't be able to be good and you are satisfied with poor basketball play. There is not need to make excuses anymore. Now that our facilities for bball are pretty nice, I would say it shouldn't be as difficult to recruit. The guy is supposed to be a good recruiter, we pay him pretty good too. I think he should prove his worth. We know aren't Duke UNC or any Big 10/East teams but I think AU should be AT LEAST mediocre.
The thing that is troubling is he is still using Lebos players after three years.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 10:22 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:26 am to auyushu
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You certainly would never have heard me being in the former group back when he hadn't signed his contract. But anyway, there is a middle ground between not having a contract and giving a brand new coach an idiotic buy out clause. Who gives a brand new coach a 5 year buy out clause at half his salary?
He earns $750,000 per year in salary.
The "buyout" is the remainder of his salary when he is relieved of his duties.
This would apply to ANY coach. The salary in the contract of any coaching contract is *always* guaranteed. That is the "buyout" if you fire him, which is different from a separately negotiated "buyout" that the coach must pay if he leaves the program prior to fulfilling his contract.
Those assistant football coaches (i.e. Trooper, etc.) we're still paying salary to? They had a contract with an annual salary and we're paying it because we were CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED.
Got damn, you people will just invent shite about Jay Jacobs to whine about.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:26 am to AUtigerNOLA
quote:No I'm just going to be fairly realistic because I see what we are up against. We are playing basketball in the state of Alabama where minimal to no talent exists and there's no history to influence any out of state guys to this program. The arena is nice but ultimately kids choose basketball programs for reasons other than the place they play.
You make it sound like AU shouldn't be able to be good and you are satisfied with poor basketball play
I'm not convinced the trouble is he is playing Lebo's players. The trouble is he can't coach. Recruiting is part of the problem but ultimately nobody has really improved while Barbee has been here.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:27 am to Rig
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The trouble is he can't coach
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nobody has really improved while Barbee has been here
Posted on 2/17/13 at 10:40 am to Rig
I didn't say all the trouble was playing Lebos players, but it is an alarming fact. He's been marshallcotiger it's apparent he cannot coach or develop the players, at least at AU he can't. Another annoying part is he blames his players sometimes when he should be blaming himself.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 10:42 am
Posted on 2/17/13 at 11:47 am to Rig
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Logic: Well there are 300+ other programs looking for the exact same thing.. making that turnaround pretty damn difficult.
Well said.
The program-changing basketball recruit isn't going to want to come to Auburn. The best schools stockpile the best recruits because of the stupid one and done rule.
Instead, it's going to take some under the radar kids that will stay and break out for us. You need a coach that can develop that talent.
A Nerlens Noel type would change Auburn basketball overnight, that guy that makes basketball "the easiest" to rebuild (still think that's crap).
Guess what? Nerlens Noel isn't coming to a weak basketball program.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:05 pm to WarSlamEagle
I think with the right AD, we could get a good coach. You have to have an AD that can sell AU basketbal as hard as it is. These type of guys are getting paid corp exec type salaries, its their job to do this and be a strong leader. Have to convince a coach to bring a program out of the cellar. Right now, all we can do is try to find an up and coming coach. That was thought to be Barbee.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:50 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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I think with the right AD, we could get a good coach. You have to have an AD that can sell AU basketbal as hard as it is. These type of guys are getting paid corp exec type salaries, its their job to do this and be a strong leader. Have to convince a coach to bring a program out of the cellar. Right now, all we can do is try to find an up and coming coach. That was thought to be Barbee.
That "right AD", to do what you say he would do, would have to divert money from the football program.
Because you can't divert money from the women's athletic programs or you will pay a heavy cost in Title IX lawsuits.
And there's no money to be diverted from the baseball program.
So diverting money from the football program it is.
Yeah... good luck with that.
This post was edited on 2/17/13 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/17/13 at 12:59 pm to beatbammer
Ok well we fricked then. Forget it.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:04 pm to beatbammer
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He earns $750,000 per year in salary.
The "buyout" is the remainder of his salary when he is relieved of his duties.
This would apply to ANY coach. The salary in the contract of any coaching contract is *always* guaranteed. That is the "buyout" if you fire him, which is different from a separately negotiated "buyout" that the coach must pay if he leaves the program prior to fulfilling his contract.
Sorry, we aren't inventing shite to be mad about with Jacobs. Whether he gave a stupid buyout or simply gave Barbee a ridiculously long contract to begin with, it was still a stupid move. And I am a person that thinks Barbee should at least have one more year to prove himself, even though I don't really think he's the man for the job persay.
And according to this article here, you are dead wrong about Barbee's contract.
Barbee contract
He is paid 1.5 mil a year, and he has a mutual buyout clause that would pay him the 750 grand a year.
Any what you are saying about being contractually obligated doesn't really make sense in terms of our previous football coaches. Chizik was extended through 2015 at 3.5 mil a year, we should have been stuck paying him close to 11 mil if what you are saying was true, not 7 mil from his buyout.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:06 pm to AUtigerNOLA
I don't want JJ and whatever search committee he picks hiring the next coach. Let's please get a new AD before we hire any new coaches.
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:07 pm to auyushu
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He is paid 1.5 mil a year, and he has a mutual buyout clause that would pay him the 750 grand a year.
So the salary is 1.5 mil a year but the buyout is only half of that?
Well, shite, Jacobs did a good job then. You can fire a guy and only pay him off with half of the amount he is contractually owed? frick yeah!
Posted on 2/17/13 at 1:12 pm to AUtigerNOLA
Here are some good posts regarding Under Armour and our program. This is not about Barbee specifically.
Jay Tate
Another respected poster on the bunker
I desperately want a good basketball program. Right now, our program is not on an even playing field with most schools out there. We don't have the luxury of Barbee paying players to come here like Cliff Ellis did. I don't know what the right answer is as far a coach, but I know it's not going to be as easy to succeed here as some of you believe.
Jay Tate
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Basketball has its own recruiting culture that if different than anything we see in college football. The shoe companies gain influence over these kids with camps and providing apparel to both the player and his teams and in other ways. It's a Nike/adidas game. UA is trying to make headway, and they've been somewhat successful, but football is their primary concern since they've made remarkable progress in that market. Auburn is a UA school, obviously, and there aren't many "UA recruits" out there.
Another respected poster on the bunker
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First, TB has done some very bonehead things and that combined with our bonehead AD created its own set of issues. With that said, it's not the biggest issue IMO. To understand the UA "situation", and with apologies to Archie, let's use a football analogy....how many times has AU football been screwed out of a football recruit b/c of some "uncle" lurking in the background? Well, imagine that uncle was rich and had already invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into the kid, and imagine that uncle had a boss that was responsible for his wealth. That boss thinks it's "in the best interest" of the kid to choose from a list of schools he and the uncle pre-approve. Kid gets to play at a top school, Uncle keeps getting the checks, and the Boss maintains control over the kid. Now, I believe TB is a very good recruiter, but imagine a football scenario like that and tell me how many kids we actauall signed? Now, right now, AU basketball isn't on hardly any of those lists. And what lists we're on, either Barbee isn't busting his arse to get them or compliance has already black-balled them, depending on whose side of the story you believe. I keep hearing UA is going to get serious about AAU in the "immediate future" to help the basketball programs. Remember UA is still a young company though, and they have invested much more into Football and Baseball to date, so they are going to see that pipeline through. It's a mess, but until we demand UA pay the freight and get us in the game, JJ's shiny new stadium (which it does seem AU fans are trying) and Adolf Rupp won't matter all that much.
I desperately want a good basketball program. Right now, our program is not on an even playing field with most schools out there. We don't have the luxury of Barbee paying players to come here like Cliff Ellis did. I don't know what the right answer is as far a coach, but I know it's not going to be as easy to succeed here as some of you believe.
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