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re: J.B Grimes
Posted on 1/17/18 at 1:58 pm to TigerPaw1
Posted on 1/17/18 at 1:58 pm to TigerPaw1
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Kevin Steele, Travis Williams & Larry Porter all seem like solid hires
He also pulled in Muschamp, T-Rob, Thompson & McGriff in the past
Muschamp and Steele were brought in by Jacobs and company. All of their defensive hires (T-Rob, Thompson, McGriff) are the responsibilities of the DC's at the time. Thompson and Malzahn are literally complete opposites in personality; no way Malzahn ever hires douche-bag Lance Thompson on his own.
You notice how we have an offensive-minded HC and yet all of his hires on offense (except Porter who had fallen down to UNC) are blips on the radar while "his" defensive hires have all been much higher profile names? Its because he was pretty much told to relinquish control on defense and you've got experienced coaches like Muschamp and Steele making those calls.
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Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:00 pm to metafour
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Muschamp and Steele were brought in by Jacobs and company. All of their defensive hires (T-Rob, Thompson, McGriff) are the responsibilities of the DC's at the time. Thompson and Malzahn are literally complete opposites in personality; no way Malzahn ever hires douche-bag Lance Thompson on his own.
You notice how we have an offensive-minded HC and yet all of his hires on offense (except Porter who had fallen down to UNC) are blips on the radar while "his" defensive hires have all been much higher profile names? Its because he was pretty much told to relinquish control on defense and you've got experienced coaches like Muschamp and Steele making those calls.
Lulz so every good hire is not Malzahn but every hire you don't like is?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:01 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Not sure on the forced out/chose to leave thing. It appears to me that either way it was an amicable split considering where we’re at now.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:05 pm to TigerPaw1
My judgment on Woodson is admittedly premature. He has never had an opportunity to prove himself with a major program like Auburn. I am excited to see what he can do. Grimes on the other hand.....
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:05 pm to metafour
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...why would he then bring him back?
Desperation? This smacks of a panic hire. Grimes may be adequate, but no recruit, his family, or fan is jumping up and down about this (in a good way).
For assistants, it's not like any job is a multi-year lock. So I could see a coach coming back after he was forced out...if the salary was equal/higher, and there were some other intangibles.
We better hope our bagman has perfected his game this off-season. OL recruiting shaping up to be a big bust.
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:07 pm to TigerPaw1
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Lulz so every good hire is not Malzahn but every hire you don't like is?
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I also think it was funny he thought Gus was told to relinquish control of the defense. Are we to think he ever actually had control of the defense? I mean he brought Ellis Johnson & Garner in so in theory he wouldn't have to worry much about the defense. The only thing he was told aft Johnson was don't hire another awful DC
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:07 pm to metafour
McGriff likely happened bc of Gus’s connection with Freeze... the recent hire from Memphis is likely bc of Gus’s connection with Norvell.
I’m not a fan of the Grimes hire at all... as others mentioned, it feels knee-jerk and and too comfortable for GM. With that said, actin as if Gus has no hand in the good hires is disingenuous.
I’m not a fan of the Grimes hire at all... as others mentioned, it feels knee-jerk and and too comfortable for GM. With that said, actin as if Gus has no hand in the good hires is disingenuous.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:08 pm to PrisonMike
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We better hope our bagman has perfected his game this off-season. OL recruiting shaping up to be a big bust.
No doubt our bagmen need to step up their game. Getting whooped by the new money in Athens
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:11 pm to TigerPaw1
The Grimes hire tells you Gus was making moves he didn't want to make a few years ago because of JJ and the PTB. The numbers don't lie. He did a better job than Hand. One thing is for sure being the HC you may as well do it your way and get fired over half in/half out like we have seen the last few years.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:11 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I also think it was funny he thought Gus was told to relinquish control of the defense. Are we to think he ever actually had control of the defense? I mean he brought Ellis Johnson & Garner in so in theory he wouldn't have to worry much about the defense. The only thing he was told aft Johnson was don't hire another awful DC
I mean I will agree that the DCs have a heavy role in the defensive staff. No doubt Thompson & Robninson followed Muschamp & Greg Brown I believe has a link to Steele. But the idea that Malzahn gets 0 credit for hiring Muschamp & Steele in first place seems kinda ridiculous to me
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:14 pm to TigerPaw1
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Lulz so every good hire is not Malzahn but every hire you don't like is?
I liked the Herb Hand hire. Turned out to be a complete flop.
You see nothing 'interesting' about the fact that we have an "offensive genius" HC and yet all of our buzz-worthy hires are on defense?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:17 pm to metafour
How many "offensive geniuses" do you see hiring really big name assistant offensive coaches under them? Most I see hire coaches for their system. Do you know any buzz-worthy OL coaches under the other offensive genius head coaches? How many offensive position coaches are really buzz worthy anyways?
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:20 pm to metafour
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You see nothing 'interesting' about the fact that we have an "offensive genius" HC and yet all of our buzz-worthy hires are on defense?
Curious what you define as "buzz-worthy". Everyone hated the Steele move when it happened & it turned out to be one of our best ones
I acknowledge that on the offensive side of the ball Gus is gonna hire guys he is comfortable with because he plays a bigger role on that side. That's not unusual. I would argue that Dameyune Craig, Herb Hand & Larry Porter were all "buzz-worthy" hires at the time as well. Obviously all 3 had different reasons for joining the staff (Craig being an alum, Hand being his buddy, Porter looking to get back in the SEC)
Where I disagree is that Malzahn doesn't deserve credit for going after Muschamp & Steele. You can't convince me that he had zero say in those moves. I don't dispute that T-Rob & Thompson are Boom guys. I do think Gus had more to do with McGriff than you give credit for as well.
I think overall Malzahn has done a decent job when it comes to assembling staffs on both sides of the ball. I am not thrilled by the Grimes move but I don't hate it. There is plenty that bug me about Gus, who he hires for most part hasn't really been one.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:21 pm to TigerPaw1
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I mean I will agree that the DCs have a heavy role in the defensive staff. No doubt Thompson & Robninson followed Muschamp & Greg Brown I believe has a link to Steele. But the idea that Malzahn gets 0 credit for hiring Muschamp & Steele in first place seems kinda ridiculous to me
Why would paranoid Gus want to bring in Muschamp, a guy who Jacobs had previously wanted badly to be the HC at Auburn, in a time when his job was very much in jeopardy? By that point Gus was already on thin ice, Muschamp was 100% a power-move by Jacobs and company to initiate some level of hype back into the program.
Yeah, Gus Malzahn can attract Muschamp, Steele, and all these high-profile SEC veterans on defense...but the best WR coach he can find is Kodi Burns? There is a clear disconnect between his offensive and defensive hires, and anyone with a brain knows that he's not doing shite on defense. His OC was zero experience boy-wonder Rhett Lashlee and that would still be the case today if his hand wasn't forced, yet on defense he's hiring former SEC head coaches?
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:27 pm to metafour
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Why would paranoid Gus want to bring in Muschamp
Why would paranoid Gus bring in Grimes who he apparently forced out? He could have some sinister motives.
Why would the higher ups, who have full control over our hiring and firing according to you apparently, bring Grimes back after forcing him out?
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eah, Gus Malzahn can attract Muschamp, Steele, and all these high-profile SEC veterans on defense...but the best WR coach he can find is Kodi Burns?
What do you have against Kodi?
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There is a clear disconnect between his offensive and defensive hires, and anyone with a brain knows that he's not doing shite on defense.
Shocker, offensive coach hires offensive assistants that work for his system and he trusts, then hires more proven coaches to coach defensive staff because he wants to be able to focus on defense. Thanks for pointing out the obvious
How many big name defensive coaches does saban have? His "buzz worthy" hires have been on the offensive side. You going to cirticize Saban's hiring practices as well?
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:28 pm to metafour
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Why would paranoid Gus want to bring in Muschamp, a guy who Jacobs had previously wanted badly to be the HC at Auburn, in a time when his job was very much in jeopardy? By that point Gus was already on thin ice, Muschamp was 100% a power-move by Jacobs and company to initiate some level of hype back into the program.
Uh wut? Muschamp came in for the 2015 season. Gus had been there 2 seasons. One of those seasons AU won the SEC title. He was not on thin ice
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Yeah, Gus Malzahn can attract Muschamp, Steele, and all these high-profile SEC veterans on defense...but the best WR coach he can find is Kodi Burns? There is a clear disconnect between his offensive and defensive hires, and anyone with a brain knows that he's not doing shite on defense. His OC was zero experience boy-wonder Rhett Lashlee and that would still be the case today if his hand wasn't forced, yet on defense he's hiring former SEC head coaches?
The Burns hire is the one I liked least. I think most AU fans agree that he probably could have found someone better. However he's done much better on the trail this past year & overall I thought AU's WR core was solid this past season. As for Lashlee, I have no idea if he would still be here or not it Gus had his way. I got the feeling Lashlee was ready to break away but that's all speculation.
I think your hatred of that Burns hire is really poisoning your vision of all things Malzahn
This post was edited on 1/17/18 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:36 pm to metafour
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By that point Gus was already on thin ice, Muschamp was 100% a power-move by Jacobs and company to initiate some level of hype back into the program.
I like Jacobs a little more. Hiring Muschamp was the single event that spurred our defensive culture into the right direction. I’m glad to see JJ inserted some positive influence on the program. Let’s hear about the negative influence if there is any.
And get off my lawn!!!
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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How many big name defensive coaches does saban have?
Pruitt was as big of a name as Muschamp was for us.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:53 pm to metafour
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Why would paranoid Gus want to bring in Muschamp, a guy who Jacobs had previously wanted badly to be the HC at Auburn, in a time when his job was very much in jeopardy? By that point Gus was already on thin ice, Muschamp was 100% a power-move by Jacobs and company to initiate some level of hype back into the program.
Posted on 1/17/18 at 2:54 pm to jangalang
I wouldn't probably say that big, but Pruitt is a "buzz" hire for sure. Recruiting wise, I'd say Craig was as big of a buzz as Pruitt (by no means was he comparable to pruitt as a coach.)
Pruitt was also a Saban disciple though. My point is that Saban hires defensive coaches for his scheme and coaches he is comfortable with. He isn't going out there and hiring defensive coaches because they are "buzz worthy" or are going to make a splash. Assuming Gus should do that on the offensive side is silly. Yes we all want the best coaches, but I want Gus to hire the coaches he wants. If they fail and Gus fails, then we'll find someone better.
Pruitt was also a Saban disciple though. My point is that Saban hires defensive coaches for his scheme and coaches he is comfortable with. He isn't going out there and hiring defensive coaches because they are "buzz worthy" or are going to make a splash. Assuming Gus should do that on the offensive side is silly. Yes we all want the best coaches, but I want Gus to hire the coaches he wants. If they fail and Gus fails, then we'll find someone better.
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