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re: Former AU gymnasts speak out about racism they experienced on team
Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:42 pm to alpinetiger
Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:42 pm to alpinetiger
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Guaranteed you're in your early 20's.
I'm 30, but that's irrelevant.
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Yes, you sound prejudiced. I grew up in Auburn and I don't know what type of generational hayseed operation your family was running but that belief and behavior did not exist in my circle of friends and family.
Honestly, you sound like you're in denial.
Both my parents were military brats, and lived in Colorado, Texas, Alaska, and Alabama. I grew up splitting time in Prattville and Huntsville. We were middle class. I went to Auburn University. Nothing hayseed about it.
I was always taught by my family and teachers that racism was bad, but then I'd hear racist shite everywhere, including on a football team that was half black. Imagine how shocked and saddened I was when my fairly high ranking military grandfather told me how he would be disappointed if I brought home a black girl to date, but he'd still love me (this is after a relative of ours married a black man.) But I kept my mouth shut
Or to hear a white teammate call a black teammate the n word and then tell him "what? What are you gonna do about it?" No one said anything. Just kept our mouths shut. That person would later become a prison guard.
How about at Auburn University when I was roommates with three random rich, white, frat members and they would have conversations about how black people were bad, but then blast rap music on the weekends?
You all mean to tell me you've never heard the classic whisper when talking about black people? The one you use because you're afraid of getting caught? I've heard it by entire life from people I know and don't know.
I'm tired of that shite. I'm tired of pretending it doesn't exist. I'm tired of just keeping my mouth shut because I'm afraid it will hurt feelings or start a fight. frick it, it's time to come clean. It's still fricking everywhere and we need to do a better job of shutting it down.
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Posted on 6/10/20 at 7:49 pm to alpinetiger
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Read a book. It was 236-240 years not 400
Slaves weren't brought to America in 1619? What books are you reading?
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The Barbary Pirates in North Africa
What's the relevancy to that and race relations in the United States of America?
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:00 pm to BranTheHuman2
This thread got derailed. Y’all can take this shite to the politics board.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:14 pm to plaric
Yeah, probably best to shut the thread down. Hate to hear we have some issues within our gymnastics program. But I have full confidence Greene will get it sorted out
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:25 pm to BranTheHuman2
quote:it should carry more weight than it does, but many like yourself hurl that term around like a child learning his first cuss word.
Man, that must be hard to be called racist
quote:that hypothetical person you are describing has a mental disorder and a really warped view of the world.
Must be just as hard as someone that has to worry about every little action they take, because one wrong move could mean a scared white person pulls a gun on them.
quote:And? That happens to every race. And here's a thought. DONT BREAK THE LAW
Must be just as hard as the black person who calls the cops and somehow ends up the person arrested.
quote:Dindunuffins
Must be just as hard as being an unarmed black person being shot with rubber bullets and gassed for peacefully protesting weeks after watching white guys with weapons screaming at cops and not getting a finger laid on them.
quote:I would be me, regardless of my color and would want people to see me for who i am and judge me by my actions and deeds. This question was by far, the most racist thing said on this board tonight.
Let me ask you this, and be completely honest...would you want to be black in this country?
quote:wish i could say the same for you
But hey, kudos to you for not doing anything racist.
quote:sounds like you have shitty friends
For shutting down your friend for telling a racist joke,
quote:why would i freak out? Sounds like youre a black kid that has an extraordinary thin skin.
not freaking out if a black man is behind you in line at a gas station
quote:cool story bro
especially listening to black people tell their stories.
quote:catchy phrase! Cant wait to see the protest at local abortion clinics! Hypocrite
Black lives matter, and.... They don't.
quote:Agree or Racist!!!! Submit to the MOB!
What side are you on? And if it's not the side saying black people matter, then you are racist.
quote:Look in the mirror
At least just own up to it. That would actually be a step in the right direction believe it or not.
quote:No fear whatsoever. Youre twisted in the mind kid.
Is it because you're scared of being called racist, scared of being wrong, scared of losing the power dynamic? Put the ego and fear aside.
quote:Clown shoes. fricking clown shoes.
Go to the place all your friends call the "bad part of town." Hear what they have to say.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:36 pm to BranTheHuman2
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Or to hear a white teammate call a black teammate the n word and then tell him "what? What are you gonna do about it?" No one said anything. Just kept our mouths shut. That person would later become a prison guard.
How about at Auburn University when I was roommates with three random rich, white, frat members and they would have conversations about how black people were bad, but then blast rap music on the weekends?
You all mean to tell me you've never heard the classic whisper when talking about black people? The one you use because you're afraid of getting caught? I've heard it by entire life from people I know and don't know.
This is my last response. This is an indictment of you and the company that you keep. Not anyone else. From grade school to intramural sports, not once did I hear anything like you are saying, not even in the heat of the moment. Where did you grow up? I played HS football and baseball and that talk would have resulted in you being kicked off a team, punched/slapped, or doing excerise punishments until you vomited. It never happenend in HS. No one was ever punished for that trangression.
I paid my way through AU and lived at a place that was $75 a month all in. It was the top floor of a house a block from campus, 5 bedrooms a living room and one bathroom. I lived with a couple of SAEs, Sigma Nus and a Phi and I never heard anything like you are talking about even in casual conversation, "behind closed doors". This is an indictment of you and the company that you keep, not me.
I've heard what you call "whispers" about black people possibly three times in my life you are talking about. I've probably heard more snarky Asian comments because of their cultural affulence. I didn't pay any attention to either, like most people.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:37 pm to HailToTheChiz
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Additionally two of the three girls were either kicked off the team or suspended. If you believe the girl who was dismissed, "still has no idea why" then I have oceanfront property to sell in Arizona.
Easy, global warming is still a thing and oceanfront property is what I’m planning on out here
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:52 pm to Bow to Auburn
Posted on 6/10/20 at 8:57 pm to ChexMix
No one here has a clue what color I am and that's a good thing. I will note that Alpine is correct in his history of slavery. The Barbary enslavement was 2.5 million white people. The Africa to US slave trade was 233,000 Africans. Most of the African slave trade to the west went to the Caribbean and South america.
Another interesting note of history is that a higher percentage of black lank owners owned slaves then white land owners in the south.
Every race across the world has been enslaved by another at one point in history. Some in more brutal conditions then some others. But the great USofA is the first of those nations to self discipline themselves and free the slaves. Those are the facts.
What happens at this point especially since the 1960's is up to personal choices made by individuals.
FBI stats from 2019. 42 people were killed by police that were unarmed. 19 white, 9 black, 9 hispanic, 4 other.
As for me I grew up very poor. Like powdered milk poor. We bought milk that was powder that you added to it to make milk. I ate syrup made out of vanilla flavoring, water, and sugar on something called a wholecake... instead of a normal pancake. 1 parent graduated from high school the other was a dropout. Did anyone else grow up that poor. Go to bed hungry sometimes. Not have enough money to even go on school field trips. But my parents did everything they could considering the circumstances. My dad worked 3 jobs, my mom worked 1 and took care of everything at the house when moms cooked every meal. There was no going to fast food, or a sit down restaurant as we called them growing up. Did you grow up like that? I'm talking you either white or black... Did you?? I saw my parents cry and struggle to pay bills... I saw my moms hands so swollen from her hard work in the factory that she couldn't handle a knife to peel a fricking potato. My parents never asked for a dime from the government. Did I blame anyone, hell no. All I knew is I wanted more in my life then the constant struggle. Obviously it transferred to my siblings as well. There were 7 of us 5 are college graduates, one passed away as baby, and the 6th owns her own business. Life is what you make it not what someone dictates to you. If you want to be a victim you can be, if you want to make changes then you do it, discussing how much of a victim you are is just that playing the victim card.
Another interesting note of history is that a higher percentage of black lank owners owned slaves then white land owners in the south.
Every race across the world has been enslaved by another at one point in history. Some in more brutal conditions then some others. But the great USofA is the first of those nations to self discipline themselves and free the slaves. Those are the facts.
What happens at this point especially since the 1960's is up to personal choices made by individuals.
FBI stats from 2019. 42 people were killed by police that were unarmed. 19 white, 9 black, 9 hispanic, 4 other.
As for me I grew up very poor. Like powdered milk poor. We bought milk that was powder that you added to it to make milk. I ate syrup made out of vanilla flavoring, water, and sugar on something called a wholecake... instead of a normal pancake. 1 parent graduated from high school the other was a dropout. Did anyone else grow up that poor. Go to bed hungry sometimes. Not have enough money to even go on school field trips. But my parents did everything they could considering the circumstances. My dad worked 3 jobs, my mom worked 1 and took care of everything at the house when moms cooked every meal. There was no going to fast food, or a sit down restaurant as we called them growing up. Did you grow up like that? I'm talking you either white or black... Did you?? I saw my parents cry and struggle to pay bills... I saw my moms hands so swollen from her hard work in the factory that she couldn't handle a knife to peel a fricking potato. My parents never asked for a dime from the government. Did I blame anyone, hell no. All I knew is I wanted more in my life then the constant struggle. Obviously it transferred to my siblings as well. There were 7 of us 5 are college graduates, one passed away as baby, and the 6th owns her own business. Life is what you make it not what someone dictates to you. If you want to be a victim you can be, if you want to make changes then you do it, discussing how much of a victim you are is just that playing the victim card.
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:03 pm to CorchJay
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As for me I grew up very poor. Like powdered milk poor. We bought milk that was powder that you added to it to make milk. I ate syrup made out of vanilla flavoring, water, and sugar on something called a wholecake... instead of a normal pancake.
Fancy.
Mine was Cheerios, 2% Milk and sugar. This post was edited on 6/10/20 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 6/10/20 at 9:40 pm to alpinetiger
lol. I'm sure we had cheerios at times. although it would have been the bag version of generic.
Posted on 6/11/20 at 6:05 am to Bow to Auburn
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oceanfront property is what I’m planning on out here
Me too man. Me too...
Posted on 6/11/20 at 6:06 am to CorchJay
My single mom of 3 was poor. Ain’t ashamed of that.
But damn maybe I wasn’t as poor as I thought.
My worst experience for me was scarring for life and ruined cereal altogether. My church had a huge thrift store and food bank that gave away donated food and mom frequented the place, mostly for the attached thrift store. Sometimes, you could gauge what would be fine to eat from that store. Apparently not with cereal. Raisin Bran was my favorite and mom picked it up for me. Problem is when I opened and tilted the box to pour me a bowl, many moth flies start flying out of the box like it was coming out of got damn John Coffee. Haven’t had Raisin Bran since. I also said the hell to that thrift food too
But damn maybe I wasn’t as poor as I thought.
My worst experience for me was scarring for life and ruined cereal altogether. My church had a huge thrift store and food bank that gave away donated food and mom frequented the place, mostly for the attached thrift store. Sometimes, you could gauge what would be fine to eat from that store. Apparently not with cereal. Raisin Bran was my favorite and mom picked it up for me. Problem is when I opened and tilted the box to pour me a bowl, many moth flies start flying out of the box like it was coming out of got damn John Coffee. Haven’t had Raisin Bran since. I also said the hell to that thrift food too
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 6:12 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 6:25 am to Skyler97
So which is it holding them back?
Slavery or segregation?
Don't just downvote me, answer my question.
Slavery or segregation?
Don't just downvote me, answer my question.
This post was edited on 6/11/20 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/11/20 at 10:05 am to jangalang
quote:I know what I’m getting jang for his birthday
Problem is when I opened and tilted the box to pour me a bowl, many moth flies start flying out of the box like it was coming out of got damn John Coffee. Haven’t had Raisin Bran since
Posted on 6/11/20 at 11:19 am to jangalang
Jang,
The jovial way that you speak of growing up poor comes from a place of privilege.
These anecdotal stories of rising above poverty from white people further bury the BLM message.
Black people can't tell funny stories about their poor childhood because they are still poor as adults.
This is another instance of systematic racism and oppression. Think before you speak and discount the progress of our movement.
*Am I doing this right?
The jovial way that you speak of growing up poor comes from a place of privilege.
These anecdotal stories of rising above poverty from white people further bury the BLM message.
Black people can't tell funny stories about their poor childhood because they are still poor as adults.
This is another instance of systematic racism and oppression. Think before you speak and discount the progress of our movement.
*Am I doing this right?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:31 pm to BuckFama334
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Why were they kicked off the team? That would probably be a good addition to the story and overall transparency, but I guess that would be bad for the "movement".
What the hell are you going on about?
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:37 pm to auburnnyc94
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What the hell are you going on about?
According to the article, at least 2 of the young ladies were dismissed from the gymnastics team for an undisclosed reason.
It's hard to get a good grasp of reality when your sources are people with an axe to grind...
Posted on 6/11/20 at 12:44 pm to BranTheHuman2
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Honestly, you sound like you're in denial.
Both my parents were military brats, and lived in Colorado, Texas, Alaska, and Alabama. I grew up splitting time in Prattville and Huntsville. We were middle class. I went to Auburn University. Nothing hayseed about it.
I was always taught by my family and teachers that racism was bad, but then I'd hear racist shite everywhere, including on a football team that was half black. Imagine how shocked and saddened I was when my fairly high ranking military grandfather told me how he would be disappointed if I brought home a black girl to date, but he'd still love me (this is after a relative of ours married a black man.) But I kept my mouth shut
Or to hear a white teammate call a black teammate the n word and then tell him "what? What are you gonna do about it?" No one said anything. Just kept our mouths shut. That person would later become a prison guard.
How about at Auburn University when I was roommates with three random rich, white, frat members and they would have conversations about how black people were bad, but then blast rap music on the weekends?
You all mean to tell me you've never heard the classic whisper when talking about black people? The one you use because you're afraid of getting caught? I've heard it by entire life from people I know and don't know.
I'm tired of that shite. I'm tired of pretending it doesn't exist. I'm tired of just keeping my mouth shut because I'm afraid it will hurt feelings or start a fight. frick it, it's time to come clean. It's still fricking everywhere and we need to do a better job of shutting it down.
Dude sounds like you had the problem standing up for what you believed in with your relatives. I was told by an uncle the same thing about marrying in another race. I told him to stuff it as I would marry someone I loved no matter what race. Also, I think you earlier were talking about slavery but blacks owned slaves in the US also.
The systemic problem is with the current situation is there is one party that has failed to deal with this and they had an agenda. Look at the mess now it is the politicians fault that the inner cities are in the problem that they are in. I grew up poor but have overcome it somewhat. Not because of my race but because of who I am and made of myself. Have I been discriminated against because of my race? Yes, I have. I don't want to go into much detail on a board but it happens, you move on. Take a look after the civil war and open your eyes to whom was elected to congress in the south and then see who enacted the laws to suppress that from happening again. The problem we have now are people not willing to openly speak about what happened, what the actual problems are currently and how we got here. Reparations, etc for the past are not the answer to the future. IF you think so then what are the rules? So anyone post slavery doesn't have to pay if they didn't have relatives here? So people whose ancestors fought for the North don't have to pay? What about those who had relatives who fought for the south but didn't own slaves? Dude this world is what you make of it. Life is unfair and will always be unfair. People born into wealthy families have more opportunity to open doors but that doesn't mean if you are poor you can't make something of yourself no matter what race, creed or religion you come from. That is on you as a person. There are things that we need to be teaching all kids and not just the liberal drivel that they are teaching in schools now. Life is hard and always has been.
Posted on 6/12/20 at 8:53 am to 88TIger
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Take a look after the civil war and open your eyes to whom was elected to congress in the south and then see who enacted the laws to suppress that from happening again.
You might want to brush up on party histories, it is interesting stuff. Southern Dixiecrats are ideologically similar to present day Republicans. Most of them eventually ended up switching parties post JFK, like our own Richard Shelby.
Specific to this topic, the JFK / Civil Rughts platform for the Democrats completely changed/redirected their path.
In response, Republicans under Goldwater and Nixon had the "Southern Strategy" which aimed at courting the Dixiecrats who were no longer ideological fits with the new Democratic party.
This post was edited on 6/12/20 at 8:58 am
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