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Posted on 9/11/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/11/16 at 12:49 pm
Let's air it out.
1) This game never should have been in doubt. As I said in the game thread we were gonna need that 13 point head start as no team turns it on in the 4th like TCU. I've watched TCU come back in the 4th and win at the end about 7 or 8 times over the last couple seasons.
Enos did us no favors in the back half of the 2nd Qtr. We REALLY NEEDED to put points on the board going into half, and if we could have put together a loooong drive and scored 7 to go up 20-0 with maybe less than a minute before half the stadium would have cleared and there'd have been no hope to come back in the 2nd half. This team is willing its way to not folding like some dumbass fake Hog fans believe, but they're not playing with a killer attitude to put teams away and stepping on throats.
2) Cut Hedlund. Kid's too goofy, just doesn't have it between the ears and he doesn't have range or accuracy to help us win games when it matters most.
3) Brian Wallace, it's your time dude. Sam Pittman wouldn't recruit a OT to save his life in Fayetteville. Colton Jackson should have been a walk-on project not the guy we pinned our LT hopes on for years. He's off balance and slow to slide getting beat around the end too much.
4) Our OL isn't what other people believe it to be based on Bert's reputation. the depth isn't there, the progression isn't there, the talent isn't there. They're not getting a strong run push 80% of the run plays, and they're missing blitz assignments, the young FB and RB's in particular aren't picking it up either so that makes me think the blocking scheme requires too much thinking on the fly.
5) WTF are we gonna do to get some freakin' LB'rs that can do what LB'rs are supposed to do. Very happy for Ellis getting that pick 6. He then proceeded to get beat like a rented mule in the 2nd half. No less than 275 of Hill's yards were to Ellis' man in coverage. This lack of good LB play is getting awfully old.
5a) Young TE's where the hell are ya? We badly need another TE to emerge so we can utilize Sprinkle more. Sprink was a great weapon for us when teams were doubling up on Hunter and forgetting about Sprinkle on the backside. We need O'Grady or Gragg or Kraus or Cantrell to step up and be that 3rd/4th option weapon. We develop that this offense can be deadly.
so that's out of the way, onto the positives.
1) Keon Hatcher, Drew Morgan and Jared Cornelius are going to win us some games that I wasn't sure we could win this season. Feed those boys. Hollister only played on special teams and that's where he needs to stay. Good job on the coaching staff keeping him on the sidelines and not dropping passes.
2) Froholdt improved a good deal. It seemed to me that after Rawleigh's long run was called back on that BS hold penalty called on Raulerson the OL got a bit more tentative. It was obvious there was frickery going on from Curles and his crew, but that shouldn't draw back your aggressive play. Young kids learn quickly, they make improvements week to week. I think the OL will be much better by the time we get to the meat of the schedule. Texas St. couldn't come at a better time to give them a game to get some other guys some game snaps because A&M is gonna bring the house every down.
3) Austin is seriously already one of the best QB's in the SEC. We need to see Storey this week however because Allen's gonna get some injuries at some point. That's just life in the SEC. Austin didn't lock onto receivers as badly as the week prior, he didn't force balls into coverage, he cleaned his play up quite a bit and that catch on the 2pt conversion wasn't exactly easy either. I'd like to see us open it a bit and go 4 wide and let Austin get to work.
4) DB's played much much better. Keep that up and we'll put the scare into SEC teams.
5) We played a smart patient brand of defense. rotated players often on the DL, gave a lot of help in the secondary and only that one long pass on the screen fake were we in a bad alignment, they didn't shift safeties and got outnumbered. Our flexibility on D will prove to be a great asset in the coming months.
It's weird being one of the more positive persons on this board on the Hogs after being so down on them the last couple years. I see a lot of potential if these guys execute and play smart. We've got to take full advantage of the WR's we have while they're all here. I'd like to see the offense flow better and get a 2nd RB to help carry the load. Play Hammonds, no need to shelve him just to do it.
1) This game never should have been in doubt. As I said in the game thread we were gonna need that 13 point head start as no team turns it on in the 4th like TCU. I've watched TCU come back in the 4th and win at the end about 7 or 8 times over the last couple seasons.
Enos did us no favors in the back half of the 2nd Qtr. We REALLY NEEDED to put points on the board going into half, and if we could have put together a loooong drive and scored 7 to go up 20-0 with maybe less than a minute before half the stadium would have cleared and there'd have been no hope to come back in the 2nd half. This team is willing its way to not folding like some dumbass fake Hog fans believe, but they're not playing with a killer attitude to put teams away and stepping on throats.
2) Cut Hedlund. Kid's too goofy, just doesn't have it between the ears and he doesn't have range or accuracy to help us win games when it matters most.
3) Brian Wallace, it's your time dude. Sam Pittman wouldn't recruit a OT to save his life in Fayetteville. Colton Jackson should have been a walk-on project not the guy we pinned our LT hopes on for years. He's off balance and slow to slide getting beat around the end too much.
4) Our OL isn't what other people believe it to be based on Bert's reputation. the depth isn't there, the progression isn't there, the talent isn't there. They're not getting a strong run push 80% of the run plays, and they're missing blitz assignments, the young FB and RB's in particular aren't picking it up either so that makes me think the blocking scheme requires too much thinking on the fly.
5) WTF are we gonna do to get some freakin' LB'rs that can do what LB'rs are supposed to do. Very happy for Ellis getting that pick 6. He then proceeded to get beat like a rented mule in the 2nd half. No less than 275 of Hill's yards were to Ellis' man in coverage. This lack of good LB play is getting awfully old.
5a) Young TE's where the hell are ya? We badly need another TE to emerge so we can utilize Sprinkle more. Sprink was a great weapon for us when teams were doubling up on Hunter and forgetting about Sprinkle on the backside. We need O'Grady or Gragg or Kraus or Cantrell to step up and be that 3rd/4th option weapon. We develop that this offense can be deadly.
so that's out of the way, onto the positives.
1) Keon Hatcher, Drew Morgan and Jared Cornelius are going to win us some games that I wasn't sure we could win this season. Feed those boys. Hollister only played on special teams and that's where he needs to stay. Good job on the coaching staff keeping him on the sidelines and not dropping passes.
2) Froholdt improved a good deal. It seemed to me that after Rawleigh's long run was called back on that BS hold penalty called on Raulerson the OL got a bit more tentative. It was obvious there was frickery going on from Curles and his crew, but that shouldn't draw back your aggressive play. Young kids learn quickly, they make improvements week to week. I think the OL will be much better by the time we get to the meat of the schedule. Texas St. couldn't come at a better time to give them a game to get some other guys some game snaps because A&M is gonna bring the house every down.
3) Austin is seriously already one of the best QB's in the SEC. We need to see Storey this week however because Allen's gonna get some injuries at some point. That's just life in the SEC. Austin didn't lock onto receivers as badly as the week prior, he didn't force balls into coverage, he cleaned his play up quite a bit and that catch on the 2pt conversion wasn't exactly easy either. I'd like to see us open it a bit and go 4 wide and let Austin get to work.
4) DB's played much much better. Keep that up and we'll put the scare into SEC teams.
5) We played a smart patient brand of defense. rotated players often on the DL, gave a lot of help in the secondary and only that one long pass on the screen fake were we in a bad alignment, they didn't shift safeties and got outnumbered. Our flexibility on D will prove to be a great asset in the coming months.
It's weird being one of the more positive persons on this board on the Hogs after being so down on them the last couple years. I see a lot of potential if these guys execute and play smart. We've got to take full advantage of the WR's we have while they're all here. I'd like to see the offense flow better and get a 2nd RB to help carry the load. Play Hammonds, no need to shelve him just to do it.
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Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:01 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
I think Hedlund is fine. a 22 yard field goal from either hash is a seriously difficult field goal. He's NEVER missed an extra point and he's only missed the one field goal this season. Last season he was 9-15 and I think 4 of the misses were blocks because Sam Pittman is an absolute frickhead on special teams blocking.
Offensively we're improving. Defensively we wore out in the 4th quarter, but I think a lot of that can be attributed to the absolutely egregious holding that TCU got away with all game long.
This game was one where Curles was going to try and frick us as much as possible and we still won, on the road, against a ranked team. That says a lot right there.
Offensively we're improving. Defensively we wore out in the 4th quarter, but I think a lot of that can be attributed to the absolutely egregious holding that TCU got away with all game long.
This game was one where Curles was going to try and frick us as much as possible and we still won, on the road, against a ranked team. That says a lot right there.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:08 pm to Killean
Good write up. On another note, does anyone have a gif of that massive hit on Hill by Agim?
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:09 pm to Killean
Good write up. On another note, does anyone have a gif of that massive hit on Hill by Agim?
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:17 pm to ArmyHogs
I've never seen so many blatant holds not get called. Those refs are fricking terrible.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:21 pm to Killean
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I think Hedlund is fine. a 22 yard field goal from either hash is a seriously difficult field goal.
It is a bit more of an angle, but you still should be able to nail it. I heard it said on post game that it was a bad snap as well (I didn't see a good replay to verify), if so that played into it as well.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:34 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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2) Cut Hedlund. Kid's too goofy, just doesn't have it between the ears and he doesn't have range or accuracy to help us win games when it matters most.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:37 pm to hawgfaninc
side note, whoever did the voice over work for the game recap video on espn sucks. whoever it is sounds like a nasally douche canoe
the longer 4 minute video that was first posted after the game is pretty great
the longer 4 minute video that was first posted after the game is pretty great
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:49 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
1. I completely agree
2. Said it last night. That's inexcusable at this point time to find another option.
3. Someone has to step up here. I'm ok with Jackson winning it if he performs better.
4. We're still working on it but clearly making improvements.
5. Linebacker play is better now than ever as far as I can remember. With that said our previous backer crews the last few years have been embarrassing .
5a. Cantrell can be that guy he dropped one but should develop as we go.
2. Said it last night. That's inexcusable at this point time to find another option.
3. Someone has to step up here. I'm ok with Jackson winning it if he performs better.
4. We're still working on it but clearly making improvements.
5. Linebacker play is better now than ever as far as I can remember. With that said our previous backer crews the last few years have been embarrassing .
5a. Cantrell can be that guy he dropped one but should develop as we go.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 1:56 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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2) Cut Hedlund. Kid's too goofy, just doesn't have it between the ears and he doesn't have range or accuracy to help us win games when it matters most.
I'm probably reading way too much into this, but in the video of Bert's postgame speech to the team, Hedlund is just in view in the lower left hand corner and he looks utterly deflated and has a look of "it's my fault we even went to OT" plastered all over his face. Hoping that's not the case and it doesn't stay with him.
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3) Brian Wallace, it's your time dude. Sam Pittman wouldn't recruit a OT to save his life in Fayetteville. Colton Jackson should have been a walk-on project not the guy we pinned our LT hopes on for years. He's off balance and slow to slide getting beat around the end too much.
Freaking Pittman. It's completely unacceptable that two-fifths of our offensive line in Year 4 is comprised of a converted DT and a graduate transfer. We'd be completely screwed on OL if Skipper had declared for the draft after last season.
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5a) Young TE's where the hell are ya? We badly need another TE to emerge so we can utilize Sprinkle more. Sprink was a great weapon for us when teams were doubling up on Hunter and forgetting about Sprinkle on the backside. We need O'Grady or Gragg or Kraus or Cantrell to step up and be that 3rd/4th option weapon. We develop that this offense can be deadly.
It's starting to look like O'Grady and Gragg are unable to pull their heads out of their respective arses, which doesn't fly with Bert. Cantrell has looked good in his spots. Antwine has gotten significant PT in 23 and some 22 personnel packages. Though not a TE, Hayden Johnson has looked good for a true freshman and had a huge reception to convert on third down last night.
I'm hoping we get Cantrell more integrated into the passing game to open up looks for Sprinkle.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 2:14 pm to Feral
Johnson made the wrong read big time on a block late in the game that got Austin leveled. He's got to get that cleaned up or Austin might get killed.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 2:25 pm to razorbackfan4life
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I've never seen so many blatant holds not get called
Yeah, basically they let TCU Tackles use a standing arm triangle choke to block the DEs.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 3:23 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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Cut Hedlund. Kid's too goofy, just doesn't have it between the ears and he doesn't have range or accuracy to help us win games when it matters most.
ETA on this -- in defense of Hedlund, he did make two big field goals in the first quarter neither of which were gimmes. Granted, they weren't at crucial moments, but good chance one or both are blocked last year.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 3:37 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
I believe it ranks as one of our best if not the best win of the modern era. And it's not because it was a victory over a ranked team or a key victory that vaulted us to some key position but rather that we had to overcome a lot of adversity to come back and win it. I don't think we do that in CBB's first couple of years.
1. I think pre-season most of us predicted the Hogs to lose this one but after last week my consensus take on it was that we would win or it would be a toss up.
2. We won on the road AND did so early in the year against a quality opponent which is good.
3. I think we surprised a lot of people and ourselves by smashing them in the mouth the first half but I really sensed we were done after Hedlund missed the chip shot field goal in the second half. TCU was moving the ball easily and had the momentum. We had some bright spots especially with Williams but we stalled in the Red Zone. I honestly didn't see us stopping Hill or being able to come back.
4. Our last TD drive in regulation was great as was the two point conversion. The execution was great when the chips were down.
5. Our last kickoff in regulation along with our lack of coverage of it was bad. TCU looked like they were going to win it on a late field goal if they didn't first score a touchdown. Their kicker was money and Skipper made an excellent block.
6. Well we've been in overtime before and I thought TCU was definitely behind the eight ball when they had to kick a field goal in the second OT series. I was thinking we might just win it. Allen came through on third down and I was relieved that we didn't get to fourth down because I was thinking no way we attempt a field goal.
7. Has the OT format changed? It seemed better than in the past and better suited to to having a quicker winner than in some of the marathon OT series.
8. Our kicking game (outside of punting) and our pass coverage remains a big concern going forward.
1. I think pre-season most of us predicted the Hogs to lose this one but after last week my consensus take on it was that we would win or it would be a toss up.
2. We won on the road AND did so early in the year against a quality opponent which is good.
3. I think we surprised a lot of people and ourselves by smashing them in the mouth the first half but I really sensed we were done after Hedlund missed the chip shot field goal in the second half. TCU was moving the ball easily and had the momentum. We had some bright spots especially with Williams but we stalled in the Red Zone. I honestly didn't see us stopping Hill or being able to come back.
4. Our last TD drive in regulation was great as was the two point conversion. The execution was great when the chips were down.
5. Our last kickoff in regulation along with our lack of coverage of it was bad. TCU looked like they were going to win it on a late field goal if they didn't first score a touchdown. Their kicker was money and Skipper made an excellent block.
6. Well we've been in overtime before and I thought TCU was definitely behind the eight ball when they had to kick a field goal in the second OT series. I was thinking we might just win it. Allen came through on third down and I was relieved that we didn't get to fourth down because I was thinking no way we attempt a field goal.
7. Has the OT format changed? It seemed better than in the past and better suited to to having a quicker winner than in some of the marathon OT series.
8. Our kicking game (outside of punting) and our pass coverage remains a big concern going forward.
This post was edited on 9/11/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/11/16 at 3:39 pm to Killean
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I think Hedlund is fine. a 22 yard field goal from either hash is a seriously difficult field goal.
It's 22 yards. Teams have walkons do it all the time
Posted on 9/11/16 at 3:49 pm to Litigator
The OL problems are killing me. I expected us to be better than this. I'm genuinely concerned that the better D's are going to squash our running game and kill AA
I love Ellis, but he reminds me of Butu several years ago: great heart and hustle, but he doesn't have the tools to get the job done well.
Why do we always look so damned slow?
A bit more focus on STs would be nice. I wonder if we have anyone on the staff who is actually a good coach in this area
I love Ellis, but he reminds me of Butu several years ago: great heart and hustle, but he doesn't have the tools to get the job done well.
Why do we always look so damned slow?
A bit more focus on STs would be nice. I wonder if we have anyone on the staff who is actually a good coach in this area
Posted on 9/11/16 at 3:54 pm to Porker Face
The 19-25 yard field goals from either hash are a lot harder than the regular 25 to 40 yard field goals. The space to get it through the uprights is considerably narrower due to the angle. Depending on a kicker's natural inclinations, it can be very difficult. Either way it wasn't a high percentage kick like one from the middle.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 4:04 pm to DocHog
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Why do we always look so damned slow?
I went by a TCU message board earlier to see what they were saying and there was actually a discussion on how fast they thought our defense was. It's always interesting to see how two groups of people can see something completely different from the same game.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 4:27 pm to TheCheshireHog
I don't think our D as a whole is slow, but it's def. not top end SEC fast.
There's a glaring hole in the middle as Ellis/Liddell are a bit on the slow side. Ellis would probably be a killer FB.
Our CB's speed is serviceable. Ramirez/Coley have tools at SS.
Honestly I'd like to see a concise game plan with the walk on program. Let's go get the best jitterbug type of guy in Arkansas that likely doesn't have the size to attract P5 offers. Lets go find more Jarrod Barnes and get them on the hill. Identify the 10 best pure athletes the state has in the Sr. class and go after them as walkons. Some will get scholarship offers elsewhere and some may warrant a scholarship from us.
If we get 10 great athletes into the program a year we can plug them in where needed and provide depth and competition. The lottery scholarships should specifically be used to help walk-ons.
There's a glaring hole in the middle as Ellis/Liddell are a bit on the slow side. Ellis would probably be a killer FB.
Our CB's speed is serviceable. Ramirez/Coley have tools at SS.
Honestly I'd like to see a concise game plan with the walk on program. Let's go get the best jitterbug type of guy in Arkansas that likely doesn't have the size to attract P5 offers. Lets go find more Jarrod Barnes and get them on the hill. Identify the 10 best pure athletes the state has in the Sr. class and go after them as walkons. Some will get scholarship offers elsewhere and some may warrant a scholarship from us.
If we get 10 great athletes into the program a year we can plug them in where needed and provide depth and competition. The lottery scholarships should specifically be used to help walk-ons.
Posted on 9/11/16 at 4:54 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
I'm just happy to see us come out of one of these games with a W instead of an L - especially at the beginning of the year. I expect us to improve each week as we typically do and the Hogs will be a force to be reckoned with come October/November.
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