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Let’s say they keep Bert:
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:16 pm
You’re going to be pissed, I am too..but if it does happen - is he forced to completely clean house on the staff?
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:35 pm to ArCoRazorback
He'll have to bring in a new S&C coach, new OL coach, and likely a new OC if Enos bolts. We'll probably be replacing a few coaches on defense as well.
At that point, it makes no sense to keep him and suffer a lame duck year. Cleaning house on the staff would simply be grasping at straws.
At that point, it makes no sense to keep him and suffer a lame duck year. Cleaning house on the staff would simply be grasping at straws.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:46 pm to Feral
Precisely. There are coaches available now that will do a better job immediately.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 10:49 pm to ArCoRazorback
I mean it’s not like every offseason we haven’t had a number of coaching changes.
Chaney- Enos
Ash- R Smith- Rhoads
Thomas- Singleton- Mitchell
M Smith
Lunney
Pittman- Anderson
Partridge- Segrest- Scott
Shannon- Hargreaves
Johnson- Jennings- Rhoads
Chaney- Enos
Ash- R Smith- Rhoads
Thomas- Singleton- Mitchell
M Smith
Lunney
Pittman- Anderson
Partridge- Segrest- Scott
Shannon- Hargreaves
Johnson- Jennings- Rhoads
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:02 pm to RazorHawg
I just do not see how they keep fat Bert.
Keeping him would be about equal to les miles before he was fired.
We would keep him, and then huge staff turnover would happen as everyone bolts. We would hire nobody worth a shite to replace them as they know he is gone the next season. Our recruiting would suffer immensely. I do not see how he can stay and it not be worse than it is right now.
Keeping him would be about equal to les miles before he was fired.
We would keep him, and then huge staff turnover would happen as everyone bolts. We would hire nobody worth a shite to replace them as they know he is gone the next season. Our recruiting would suffer immensely. I do not see how he can stay and it not be worse than it is right now.
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:06 pm to russellvillehog
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We would hire nobody worth a shite to replace them as they know he is gone the next season.
This is my issue with that idea. Who would want to come here knowing it's basically win immediately or you're fired?
Posted on 10/29/17 at 11:33 pm to Porcine Human
The answer is nobody. He gone
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:05 am to russellvillehog
This is a huge factor to make Long pull the trigger. If you fire all the shite assistants... Then you are going to get even shittier coaches because no one of any stature will come to a place they know the coach will be fired in 1 yr.
It's a no-brainer he has to go. And finding a good coach at Arkansas should not be hard even with so many openings this year. Coaches know that barring 2 win seasons, they are going to get 5 yrs under Long and be paid like they're coaching at a blueblood program but without the overwhelming pressure to win and win big immediately.
It's a no-brainer he has to go. And finding a good coach at Arkansas should not be hard even with so many openings this year. Coaches know that barring 2 win seasons, they are going to get 5 yrs under Long and be paid like they're coaching at a blueblood program but without the overwhelming pressure to win and win big immediately.
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Posted on 10/30/17 at 7:18 am to russellvillehog
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He gone
The only correct answer I see
Posted on 10/30/17 at 9:35 am to RazorHawg
That is quite a list of coaching changes we've had. The one thing they all have in common is the big guy at the top.
We "encouraged" Chris Ash to find work elsewhere and he took a pay cut to be the DC at Ohio State. Where he did well enough to get the head coaching job at Rutgers.
Granted his teams suck moose wang there but he did something right while he was at Ohio State.
Chaney made some bone headed calls in his first season at Georgia but this year he seems to have their offense humming along. Robb Smith hasn't turned Minnesota into a defensive juggernaut, but they have been vaguely decent on defense and Minnesota has zero talent to work with.
I suspect when Enos leaves he'll probably do fairly well where ever he winds up at.
Coach B is the one thing that hasn't changed here and it speaks volumes that people that were failures here have done well elsewhere. The argument of we had no talent to work with doesn't carry very far when Arkansas has more players in the NFL then I think we've ever had.
Even with a completely new coaching staff other then Bielema the problem starts at the top for this team.
Hell, at this point I'd rather ditch the Bielema, Anderson, and Herb and keep the rest of the coaching staff.
We "encouraged" Chris Ash to find work elsewhere and he took a pay cut to be the DC at Ohio State. Where he did well enough to get the head coaching job at Rutgers.
Granted his teams suck moose wang there but he did something right while he was at Ohio State.
Chaney made some bone headed calls in his first season at Georgia but this year he seems to have their offense humming along. Robb Smith hasn't turned Minnesota into a defensive juggernaut, but they have been vaguely decent on defense and Minnesota has zero talent to work with.
I suspect when Enos leaves he'll probably do fairly well where ever he winds up at.
Coach B is the one thing that hasn't changed here and it speaks volumes that people that were failures here have done well elsewhere. The argument of we had no talent to work with doesn't carry very far when Arkansas has more players in the NFL then I think we've ever had.
Even with a completely new coaching staff other then Bielema the problem starts at the top for this team.
Hell, at this point I'd rather ditch the Bielema, Anderson, and Herb and keep the rest of the coaching staff.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:14 pm to BoarEd
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Precisely. There are coaches available now that will do a better job immediately.
It just sucks how much calamity CFB is in at the highest level right now. Just in the SEC alone, Arkansas, Florida (already confirmed), Tennessee, Auburn (if Malzahn loses five games again this year, I could see him being fired), Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M could all be looking for coaches. The carousel this year is going to make conditions unfavorable if we're looking to fire Bert.
Plus, if he beats Coastal Carolina and Missouri like he should, that leaves us with only an LSU or MSU upset to get bowl eligible. If that happens, I'm sure Long will probably keep him.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 12:47 pm to VagueMessage
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, Florida (already confirmed), Tennessee, Auburn (if Malzahn loses five games again this year, I could see him being fired), Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M
Tennessee: who cares? They're idiots. Think they're gonna hire Gruden, and beyond that, that Gruden would actually be good.
Auburn: I doubt Gus gets fired. But if he does, they're gonna have to hire the best damn coach available. A coach who thinks he can walk into Auburn, Alabama and beat Saban like for real.
Missouri: no way, no how. You don't fire a coach after two years without setting your program back substantially. Odom gets at least one more year. At least.
Ole Miss: Lol
Texas A&M: Potential player. Let's hope they hang on to Sumlin
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:30 pm to BoarEd
The Tennessee FANS think they're hiring Gruden. Tennessee is a big name and will likely be looking at all the people Arkansas would be. As far as Auburn goes, they fired Chizik two years after he won the NC. They let Tommy Tuberville go, and he was doing much better than Malzahn. They fired Terry Bowden one year after going 10–3 and with a 47–17 overall record. They're trigger happy, and Malzahn really isn't doing all that well.
You're probably right about Missouri, I actually forgot this is only Odom's second year. And Ole Miss is likely going to put a lot of people off with all their drama. It's still looking like a bad year to be in the market for head coaches.
You're probably right about Missouri, I actually forgot this is only Odom's second year. And Ole Miss is likely going to put a lot of people off with all their drama. It's still looking like a bad year to be in the market for head coaches.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:37 pm to VagueMessage
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Plus, if he beats Coastal Carolina and Missouri like he should, that leaves us with only an LSU or MSU upset to get bowl eligible. If that happens, I'm sure Long will probably keep him.
As he should. If we can somehow win 6 games with all of our best players injured then Bielema should be coach of the year.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 2:39 pm to ArCoRazorback
He'll be fired before he's forced to clean house, it just doesn't work that way unless you plan on keeping an otherwise-successful HC for multiple years after.
Regardless I'd say Anderson is 100% toast, CBB is not happy with him and probably would've Markuson'ed him by now if he knew he'd still be the HC next year. And I think you'd see the addition of a special teams coach of some sort.
Regardless I'd say Anderson is 100% toast, CBB is not happy with him and probably would've Markuson'ed him by now if he knew he'd still be the HC next year. And I think you'd see the addition of a special teams coach of some sort.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 3:28 pm to Stonehog
quote:remember when you asked in a previous thread where you defended bielema? When you say stupid arse shite like him getting us to 6-6 should buy him another year is defendingvl bielema. 6-6 is not acceptable in year 5. If that's how low you think of us please stop following Arkansas football.
he should. If we can somehow win 6 games with all of our best players injured then Bielema should be coach of the year.
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Posted on 10/30/17 at 3:39 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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remember when you asked in a previous thread where you defended bielema?
Yeah like 3 weeks ago. If we go 6-6 then that means we finished 4-1 in our last 5 games with all of our best players out with injury. Plus a win over a top 25 team, either LSU or State. No way he gets fired if that happens, because we'll make a bowl after starting 2-5 and so many other schools will be hiring.
Try to use some common sense instead of getting so emotional.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 3:45 pm to Stonehog
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so many other schools will be hiring.
This is the only reason I'd be for keeping him if he made a bowl. Plus, that's just less of a buyout we'd have to pay for the year after.
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hen that means we finished 4-1 in our last 5 games with all of our best players out with injury.
ARE our best players out? Why is it when some of our starters go down, the backups come in and play better? Someone mentioned earlier Drew Morgan can summarize BB's career here. It's kind of weird, I don't understand it.
Posted on 10/30/17 at 3:47 pm to VagueMessage
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ARE our best players out?
Yes.
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