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RollTide1987
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Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
In this day and age of RPO and fast-paced HUNH offenses, do you think we will ever see a defense put up the numbers that legendary Alabama squad from 2011 did? Going over the numbers again, and these stats are simply eye-popping:

Total Defense: 183.6 yards per game
Scoring Defense: 8.2 points per game
Rushing Defense: 72.15 yards per game
Passing Defense: 111.5 yards per game

Some of the starters and contributors on that defense are as follows:

Jesse Williams
Josh Chapman
Damion Square
Quinton Dial
Dont'a Hightower
Courtney Upshaw
C.J. Mosley
Mark Barron
Dre Kirkpatrick
Ha Ha Clinton-Dix




HempHead
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
I doubt you see another defense get within 40 or 50 yds/per game of that ABSOLUTE UNIT.


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CrimsonDynasty
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
Probably not. Offenses are so good now it’s difficult to shut ppl down like that.

Give me the 2015 or 2016 defense over 2011 in this era of football. Back in 2011 the offenses we played against were kind of average. It’s changed a lot obviously.

We led the nation in sacks in 2015 and finished 2nd in 2016 I believe. Also 2016 defense got so many NOTs. Being able to get that amount of disruption with your front 4 is a game changer.

If 2015 or 2016 defenses played LSU in the Natty they would have had a great chance to achieve shutouts as well.

Not trying to take anything away from 2011 D...what they accomplished was incredible. Still an all time great Defense. I just don’t know how they would translate to today’s style of play.
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RollTide1987
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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Not trying to take anything away from 2011 D...what they accomplished was incredible. Still an all time great Defense. I just don’t know how they would translate to today’s style of play.


Yeah. It's difficult to compare defenses when you take into account the era of play. 2015 and 2016 Alabama might have had more athletic defenses given the level of their competition, but statistically, 2011 Alabama was better than both of them. That doesn't mean that 2011 Alabama was better overall, it just means they had better numbers.

I personally don't think you will ever see a defense in major college football, no matter how talented, put up similar numbers to 2011 Alabama ever again. Offenses are just too versatile and the rules are too inclined towards offensive production these days.


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babyray
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
2011 was the greatest BAMA team of all time. They were out for blood every game. Some things can't be duplicated.


pvilleguru
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
Maybe not unless offenses take another nosedive like they did back then.


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pvilleguru
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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2011 was the greatest BAMA team of all time.

They weren't even better than the Bama team that came right after them.
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John Milner
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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Give me the 2015 or 2016 defense over 2011 in this era of football. Back in 2011 the offenses we played against were kind of average. It’s changed a lot obviously.


I'm not sure if the 2011 or 2016 defense was better, but they were both among the best ever, in all of college football, perhaps the 2 best, no offense intended to the 92 D.

It's a damn shame that 2016 defense didn't get more help from the offense, and yes, I know the offense scored at the end and a very tired defense couldn't stop Clemson (with help from the refs).

That defense deserved the national title.

oh yeah, and if we'd have won that game,we'd be 3-1 vs Clemson in the playoffs. The fallout from that loss has sucked.

if, ands, buts, candy and nuts
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remaster916
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
The 16 defense averaged scoring like 8 points a game. Which is one of the most badass statistics a defense came have.
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SummerOfGeorge
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
2011 defense was all-time but there is a bit of a what if as they really only played a handful of really good offenses (and a bunch of gawd awful ones).

2011 S&P+ Offenses Played
#11 Arkansas
#18 LSU
#18 LSU
#42 Auburn
#57 Florida
#61 Tennessee
#64 Vanderbilt
#71 Mississippi State
#77 Penn State
#100 Ole Miss
#105 North Texas
#118 Kent State
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TomRollTideRitter
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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there is a bit of a what if as they really only played a handful of really good offenses (and a bunch of gawd awful ones).



What was their yards per play allowed vs 2016's? And how does that compare to the average yards per play of their opponent's that year?

That's my go to for comparisons like this. Not saying anyone has to look that up, but if someone's willing...


SummerOfGeorge
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
Yea that's the gold standard metric for me too.

Ain't putting it together though


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pvilleguru
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
Also didn't have to play the 2 best teams in SEC East, and Florida's QB got hurt in the 2nd quarter.
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pvilleguru
Atlanta United Fan
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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#18 LSU
#18 LSU

And LSU's offense was awful. 2011 was a really bad year for college football.


TomRollTideRitter
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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And LSU's offense was awful.


No it wasn't. Schematically it was old and predictable, but the players out there were physical enough to just run over teams.


pvilleguru
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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No it wasn't

Oh, yes it was. No offense with Jefferson or Lee at QB will be anything better than average. CFB was just so bad that they looked decent by comparison.

Lee almost threw more interceptions against us in his career than completions to his own team.
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prevatt33
Alabama Fan
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?


Sure, but dominance will be defined by different statistical levels.

The game has changed, and if the 2011 defense played a modern schedule, they would not produce the stats that they produced in 2011.


prevatt33
Alabama Fan
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
The best way to evaluate statistical dominance of the top defense in a year is not by looking at raw numbers, but by comparing how much better the top defensive team's stats are than the rest of the top 5 that year, as well as the comparing the top team's stats to the statical mean/average in the same year.

It's not sexy, but it's a much better way to evaluate dominance than raw, stand-alone stats of one team.


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1BamaRTR
New Orleans Saints Fan
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Member since Apr 2015
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
Everytime I say that I got downvoted. They were no doubt an excellent defense but to be THE greatest at something, you have to play great competition and they didn’t.

The 2012 defense meanwhile played far better competition and still were the no.1 defense in the country.


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stomp
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re: Will we ever again see a defense as statistically dominant as 2011 Alabama?
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The 16 defense averaged scoring like 8 points a game. Which is one of the most badass statistics a defense came have.


2016 Defense Depth. My GOD.

DE: Jonathan Allen, Da'Shawn Hand
NT: Da'Ron Payne, Joshua Frazier
DE: Dalvin Tomlinson, Dakota Ball

OLB: Tim Williams, Anfernee Jennings/Terrell Hall
OLB: Ryan Anderson, Christian Miller/Jamey Mosley
MLB: Reuben Foster, Rashaan Evans, Mack Wilson
MLB: Shaun Dion Hamilton, Keith Holcombe

Star: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Shyheim Carter
CB: Marlon Humphrey, Anthony Averett
CB: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Shyheim Carter
SS: Eddie Jackson, Hootie Jones
FS: Ronnie Harrison, Deionte Thompson


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