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Why is Alabama's kicking game so bad?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:43 am
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:43 am
At least under Saban that is. When Alabama loses it is almost always due to field goals.
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 5:10 am to Capstone2017
We still using the same kicking guru to tell us who to offer?
Going for leg strength over accuracy?
Going for leg strength over accuracy?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:01 am to Crimson Wraith
needs a dedicated holder, that can work with the kicker at any time. familiarity and consistency are vital for kickers. at least that's what i read, somewhere.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:14 am to crimsontater
AMEN! Stop using qb’s as holders.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:21 am to Crimson Wraith
No one has ever called me a recruiting guru and not likely going forward, but great kickers seem to just show up from everywhere and anywhere on the food chain. Bama seems to get an elite highschool guy nationally every year and yet we tend to struggle.
Then to compound our troubles we've totally missed on a legacy guy like Daniel Carlson and he came with a ton of credentials out of highschool. 5*, #1 ranked kicker out of Colorado. He's still the all-time scoring leader in the SEC.
No one has the right to complain about talent at Alabama. When we miss it's with guys loaded with credentials. I still think we got it right with local boy Will Reichard. Very unfortunate about his hip issues last season.
Then to compound our troubles we've totally missed on a legacy guy like Daniel Carlson and he came with a ton of credentials out of highschool. 5*, #1 ranked kicker out of Colorado. He's still the all-time scoring leader in the SEC.
No one has the right to complain about talent at Alabama. When we miss it's with guys loaded with credentials. I still think we got it right with local boy Will Reichard. Very unfortunate about his hip issues last season.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 9:36 am to bamameister
Yep. Reichard is legit and should improve the kicking issues assuming he's healthy.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:16 am to crimsontater
Yeah I can’t remember which game it was last year, but Pat McAfee blamed the miss on the holder. The way he held it made it draw and miss.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:27 am to JJ27
Personally, I think Slade should be the holder.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:46 am to Tw1st3d
I’m with you. Last year was the perfect time for him to hold
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:12 pm to JJ27
There is legitimately no reason to have a lousy kicking game at Alabama. Unacceptable. It has to get better and soon.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:55 pm to bamatide07
Instead of wasting time trying to recruit these high profile, highly ranked, can't miss kickers (that always seem to) from the gurus at these kicking camps, there are a couple thousand kids kicking and punting in high schools in the Southeast every Friday night. It shouldn't be that hard to find a few that can consistently hit it from 40 in, with the leg strength to take a shot from 50 in a pinch. That's all we need. Sit down with them and make sure they aren't a head case and offer them PWO status until they prove themselves, then find them a scholarship. What we are doing hasn't worked too well.
I'm not sold on Reichart yet for that reason. He kicks a pretty ball, and he kicks it a mile. But he hasn't been Mr. Consistency yet. And did we recruit him because he was the best guy in our immediate area or did we recruit him because he was ranked the #1 kicker and just happened to be at Hoover? Consistency and dependability should be valued above anything else at K and P. Doesn't mean a damn thing if they can kick it 70 yards if they don't know where it's going or if one punt is 70 and the next is 20.
It's a travesty that we missed out on the Carlson kids the way we did. No good reason for that. Here's to hoping 2020 is the year the Tide reverses it's kicking woes.
I'm not sold on Reichart yet for that reason. He kicks a pretty ball, and he kicks it a mile. But he hasn't been Mr. Consistency yet. And did we recruit him because he was the best guy in our immediate area or did we recruit him because he was ranked the #1 kicker and just happened to be at Hoover? Consistency and dependability should be valued above anything else at K and P. Doesn't mean a damn thing if they can kick it 70 yards if they don't know where it's going or if one punt is 70 and the next is 20.
It's a travesty that we missed out on the Carlson kids the way we did. No good reason for that. Here's to hoping 2020 is the year the Tide reverses it's kicking woes.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 5:56 pm to Cobrasize
How long has Bama used QBs to hold?
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 6:32 pm to JJ27
I wonder if our training we do is causing issues. Since Saban is changing Str and Conditioning thinking because of all the lower leg issues we've had, I am wondering if that had something to do with it.
Didn't we even have a hurt kicker this year as well?
Didn't we even have a hurt kicker this year as well?
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:28 pm to Bamafan24
Cochran is immensely over-rated.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 10:28 pm to Gpfather
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AMEN! Stop using qb’s as holders.
Please add another AMEN!
Posted on 6/14/20 at 1:10 am to Capstone2017
Pressure to win
Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:11 am to phil4bama
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Instead of wasting time trying to recruit these high profile, highly ranked, can't miss kickers (that always seem to) from the gurus at these kicking camps, there are a couple thousand kids kicking and punting in high schools in the Southeast every Friday night. It shouldn't be that hard to find a few that can consistently hit it from 40 in, with the leg strength to take a shot from 50 in a pinch. That's all we need. Sit down with them and make sure they aren't a head case and offer them PWO status until they prove themselves, then find them a scholarship. What we are doing hasn't worked too well.
I thought 2018 was maybe the worst combination of punter/Kicker of the Nick Saban era and that's a mouthful. Even though we had Waddle receiving punts it felt like every other punt return we got a major penalty for blocks in the back. It was also the same year Jeff Banks won STCOY. How in the hell did that happen?
Going more local with our evaluation is a smart thing to do. We just pulled Johnson from Oak Mountain as a preferred walkon punter and he's suppose to be a goody. When's the last time we actually started a kicker/punter from Alabama?
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I'm not sold on Reichart yet for that reason. He kicks a pretty ball, and he kicks it a mile. But he hasn't been Mr. Consistency yet. And did we recruit him because he was the best guy in our immediate area or did we recruit him because he was ranked the #1 kicker and just happened to be at Hoover? Consistency and dependability should be valued above anything else at K and P. Doesn't mean a damn thing if they can kick it 70 yards if they don't know where it's going or if one punt is 70 and the next is 20.
When your kicking phenom goes down for the year you know you are officially snakebit with the injury bug.
But Reichard has a strong leg and a beautiful stroke. A freshman year can be a little inconsistent at times, I still envision Leigh Tiffin at Arkansas when I say such stuff, but I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Will just didn't have any sample size at all to work through his early issues. The only positive I can think of is that Reichard got a redshirt out of it if he wants it. Alabama just needs to stay healthy for a change. Unbelievable how iffy our ST remains.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:49 am to Capstone2017
Adam Griffith really wasn't THAT bad, he was 186/188 in 3 seasons on PATs, was at 72% and 75% his last two years and had the best kickoff in school history.
We're also not talking about a huge sample of guys here. It's possible that we were just unlucky several times. Doesn't mean I wouldn't fire whoever was in charge of kicking but it's possible.
We're also not talking about a huge sample of guys here. It's possible that we were just unlucky several times. Doesn't mean I wouldn't fire whoever was in charge of kicking but it's possible.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:54 am to tmjones2
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Adam Griffith really wasn't THAT bad, he was 186/188 in 3 seasons on PATs, was at 72% and 75% his last two years and had the best kickoff in school history.
Griffith catches a lot of shite that is undeserved. I guess people think of Kick 6 instead of the entirety of his career.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 11:26 am to 14&Counting
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Griffith catches a lot of shite that is undeserved. I guess people think of Kick 6 instead of the entirety of his career.
Yep. In fact overall kicking hasn't been the total disaster people make it out to be under Saban. It just hasn't been excellent like most other aspects of the team.
Saban's had a couple of bad luck situations with kickers. The biggest was when the kid flipped to Florida at the last minute. The other was Reichard getting hurt just when he was starting to look good last season.
Leigh Tiffin can make a case for being the best kicker in Alabama history.
Shelley couldn't hit long kicks but his accuracy was excellent.
Cade Foster was an absolute head case. I can't off the top of my head remember the exact numbers but for his career but when Bama was ahead by more than a TD his success rate was insanely good. When they were trailing or up by a TD or less his make rate was something like 15%.
Griff and Pap were average. Not great, not horrible, just average.
Bul in 2018 hit 14 of 18 FG attempts (77.9%). Again, not bad at all but he's a direct descendant of Cade Foster. The more it matters the more likely he's going to miss.
Last year was bad - but just like with the defense (please oh please let it be) I think injuries were a big part.
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