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Welp, I've been a big Avery supporter. But I'm officially unbuckled.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:42 am
Posted on 2/20/19 at 11:42 am
I like the energy he brings, and I think his recruiting has been good by Alabama standards. But he's making way too much money to be putting the crap product on the floor that he is. Making it to the 2nd round of the tourney last year gave me hope, but I'm afraid that was more about having a one and done NBA talent like Sexton on the squad than Avery's coaching prowess.
I could live with giving Avery one more year, but even that feels like a stretch unless this team shows some life down the stretch. Being an Alabama basketball fan is really miserable. Is this what Ole Miss football fans feel like?
I could live with giving Avery one more year, but even that feels like a stretch unless this team shows some life down the stretch. Being an Alabama basketball fan is really miserable. Is this what Ole Miss football fans feel like?
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Posted on 2/20/19 at 12:02 pm to tider04
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tider04
I agree. The same mistakes are being made like it is still game one of the season. We play absolutely no defense. They shredded us last night in the 2nd half because we always get beat off the dribble with little or no help defense. We get beat weak side and on the baseline. We get out hustled, our substitution pattern is atrocious at best. To much dribbling not enough interior passing. I could go on, but I would sit here and make myself mad and you all bored. Unbuckled as well!
Posted on 2/20/19 at 6:38 pm to bamabaum
I only follow basketball from a distance, so I am wondering...
Is CAJ expected to be fired or is all of this just wishful thinking? Trying to decide if I need to invest effort into this or are all of you Thibodeauing me.
Is CAJ expected to be fired or is all of this just wishful thinking? Trying to decide if I need to invest effort into this or are all of you Thibodeauing me.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 6:50 pm to Remiden
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Is CAJ expected to be fired or is all of this just wishful thinking? Trying to decide if I need to invest effort into this or are all of you Thibodeauing me.
It's probably wishful thinking - but I do think there is a serious possibility that if we tank to end the year he leaves for another job and we pay him a portion of the buyout or something.
But I'd be shocked if he was just straight up fired.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 7:32 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd be shocked if he was just straight up fired.
Me too.
He has the talent to be a NCAA tourney team and has been in the convo all season.
But continued inconsistent play, playing down to the competition, and negligible improvement overall are raising eyebrows.
I really like him, but his ceiling seems low. It's all about what/where the AD, admin, and key boosters see Bama BB in relation to what it is vs what it could be.
If he fails to reach 19 regular season wins and/or gets an early exit from the SEC tourney, it could be a decision point. But, even then, I think its predicated on who they feel could backfill him. And, I'm certain feelers are starting to go out.
In all likelihood, I think he gets at least 1 more year.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 7:43 pm to Che Boludo
He probably gets 1 more year due to his obscene buyout. (Thanks Battle!!) The NBA doesn’t want him and neither do we. We’re stuck with him till at least April 15 when his buyout drops by a third unless we get lucky and he takes another job. In that event, he’s supposed to owe Bama but I’d waive it if he’d just GTFO.
Posted on 2/20/19 at 8:22 pm to phil4bama
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Thanks Battle
You may not get it. But this has a different context in my world that caught me by surprise and threw me off for a moment
Posted on 2/21/19 at 6:22 am to Che Boludo
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armytide373
I dated a girl for a while who was in the army, I heard and saw that context a ton from her.
I understand why hearing or reading that would throw you off for a split second.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 7:18 am to VaBamaMan
Alabama isn't going to win another game unless it's Vandy. Add in a 1st round loss in the SEC tourney and we end the year with a losing record for only the 2nd time in 19 years. Will the AD look at the money only instead of the programs future? We're going to learn the answer in the coming weeks. It has to be about the buyout at this point because no way in hell does the AD believe Avery is going to improve the program.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 7:45 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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Will the AD look at the money only instead of the programs future?
If there's ever been a time not to worry about paying a buyout, it's now. The athletic department can absorb the hit.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 8:20 am to imjustafatkid
Avery is a middle of the road coach and he's proving that every week. Those that structured his buyout are the fools in all of this and they believe the fans will tag along with them until his buyout hits 3 million and then act.
F'um.
F'um.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 9:00 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
The Avery Johnson hire is the perfect example of why you don't hire a coach with just NBA coaching experience. The difference between coaching college ball and the NBA is like daylight and dark....much more than even football. Hell, the game isn't even officiated the same! In the pros, it's all about TALENT!
Posted on 2/21/19 at 9:55 am to tider04
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 10:22 am to coachcrisp
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The Avery Johnson hire is the perfect example of why you don't hire a coach with just NBA coaching experience. The difference between coaching college ball and the NBA is like daylight and dark....much more than even football. Hell, the game isn't even officiated the same! In the pros, it's all about TALENT!
That would make sense if we looked like a consistently mediocre team. But there are some games where we look extremely well coached and other games like we have a coach that just rolls the ball out on the court at practice. Both his record and the way his team plays against all Top 25 teams screams that he’s an elite coach, while our play outside of top 25 opponents screams that he’s complete garbage. I don’t get it. Avery’s the most frustrating coach that we’ve ever had. The potential is so evident, but the consistency is complete shite.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 3:37 pm to BigBird09
quote:I don't recall a game this year where we looked "extremely well coached". There were games where our shots were falling, or our effort seemed better, but I don't recall one that you could say that they were a fundamentally sound basketball team. Besides, consistency falls into the psychological area of the game and it lands squarely on the coach's shoulders...it's not as much a problem in the pros.
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The Avery Johnson hire is the perfect example of why you don't hire a coach with just NBA coaching experience. The difference between coaching college ball and the NBA is like daylight and dark....much more than even football. Hell, the game isn't even officiated the same! In the pros, it's all about TALENT!
That would make sense if we looked like a consistently mediocre team. But there are some games where we look extremely well coached and other games like we have a coach that just rolls the ball out on the court at practice. Both his record and the way his team plays against all Top 25 teams screams that he’s an elite coach, while our play outside of top 25 opponents screams that he’s complete garbage. I don’t get it. Avery’s the most frustrating coach that we’ve ever had. The potential is so evident, but the consistency is complete shite.
PS- Watch a Virginia game if you want to see a fundamentally sound basketball team.....and watch what a good coach can do. (pay special attention to Braxton Key
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Posted on 2/21/19 at 4:47 pm to coachcrisp
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PS- Watch a Virginia game if you want to see a fundamentally sound basketball team.....and watch what a good coach can do. (pay special attention to Braxton Key
Key was a great defender at Alabama. Better than any guard we have at keeping his man from driving, even when he switched to guys like Lamar Peters. That's in addition to being a pretty solid interior defender that we miss as well. Key being gone is the main reason our defense has fallen off so much this season.
At Virginia though, Key averages about 6 points a game and turns the ball over at the same rate he did at Alabama. In their last few big games I've watched, he's yet to score 5 points in one of them.
Key is now a defensive specialist who's the 4th or 5th scoring option on offense when in the game. That is simply a luxury Avery did not have when Herb Jones, Ingram, Hall before he upped his FT% and scoring a bit were among the other offensive options. You can blame that on Avery recruiting those players but it's not that Key all of the sudden is a good offensive player. It's that on a team like Virginia, he is NEVER asked to create anything on offense.
I'm not arguing that Avery is anywhere near the coach Bennett is and certainly agree that Key seems to not be as sulky as he was here. However, I can't for the life of me see why Key continues to be used as an example.
If he were coming off consecutive big February games of 4, 2, 5, 2, 4 points at Alabama like he is at Virginia, people would be going on about how Avery had ruined him.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 2/21/19 at 7:13 pm to wm72
I used Key as more of an afterthought. My point was directed at the entire team and how they hustle and play the game in general. Key is what we used to call a "big-legged" player. He's not quick, but uses his big frame to block off his man. His attitude probably made his short comings even more apparent. The kid would go absolutely brain-dead on the court sometimes at Alabama.
Posted on 2/21/19 at 7:33 pm to coachcrisp
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I used Key as more of an afterthought. My point was directed at the entire team and how they hustle and play the game in general.
Fair enough. I certainly agree that Key was enigmatic to say the least and, yes, I agree that making players comfortable in their roles has been an Avery Johnson weak point.
I wasn't just trying to pick you out.
It's just seems like 25 times I've read Key at UVA being used as example of how players are so great when they leave Alabama. But then I watch UVA and see Key every bit as ineffective on offense there as he was here and also remember hating his transfer because was the best all-around defender on our team as well last year.
This post was edited on 2/21/19 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 2/21/19 at 9:17 pm to coachcrisp
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I don't recall a game this year where we looked "extremely well coached". There were games where our shots were falling, or our effort seemed better, but I don't recall one that you could say that they were a fundamentally sound basketball team.
So you’d call his record against top 25 teams a coincidence? We just suddenly shoot better in those games?
Pretty much every game in a top 25 matchup we have the perfect gameplan set and it’s executed to perfection in most scenarios. You can want Avery to be fired and still be able to acknowledge his success in certain areas (or in certain games).
Posted on 2/21/19 at 11:40 pm to BigBird09
To me that’s even more of an indictment of the man’s coaching ability. So you have the wherewithal to create a successful game plan against top competition but if it’s just an average team, you mail it in? That’s laziness and it’s reprehensible.
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