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Upon watching Clemson's spring game...

Posted on 4/21/19 at 5:45 pm
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 5:45 pm
...and doing a smidgen of googling, a few things are worth taking away: (long read)

OFFENSE:

The are loaded at the skill positions, most notably WR and QB. At QB, they have Lawrence, who's elite, but the backup Brice is no slouch. They could probably go undefeated in the ACC with Brice at the helm. Having said that, I think Bama could win the ACC with Slade Bolden at QB, so it might be saying more about the ACC than Brice. Still, they've got elite and decent insurance at QB.

At WR, much like Alabama, they are absolutely stacked - the only difference being that they've got more height at the position. But they've got a bunch of future NFL players at WR. Really stacked position group.

At RB, I honestly didn't see too much, as no RB flashed through 2 quarters and they were throwing much more than running, but they ought to be fine. I'm honestly just assuming they've recruited well. But as a Bama fan, whoever they have line up at RB is not that big of a concern for me. They'll have someone to get it done, but that player won't be much of a factor versus Bama. The most likely back to get touches after Etienne is Dixon, and he can play. They next guy, Feaster, considered a transfer a few months ago, but is still in Clemson at this time. But they'll be fine at RB and will have a 1-2 punch. Just my dos pesos...

At Oline, they lost their LT (maybe best Tackle in their program history) and Center, and RG was shaky last year, as they went through 3 guys trying to find a starter. This year, they have a guy who they think will replace the LT, and he's was pretty good in spots as a reserve last year. They guy who finally won the RG job down the stretch last year will likely slide to Center. And so, while they return some good pieces at RT and LG, they're retooling a line that desperately needs to build depth and replace an amazing LT. This is one of the areas Clemson could take a step back, IMO. And if they have an injury or 2, look out. They need a guy to win an NCAA appeal to even have a decent backup center, or so I read.

TE is the next position group where they look to take a step back. They've lost their best 3 guys at the position over the last 2 years, and the number 1 guy as of today needs to win an NCAA appeal (common theme) to even be eligible for 2019. Without him, they're past thin into nobody territory at TE. Granted, their riches at WR might mask it, but they are crazy thin at TE with both bodies and talent.

DEFENSE:

From the 2018 defense, they lost 2 starting DBs, 2 starting LBs, and their best 5 defensive lineman (4 starters and their best backup). This means that they lost 6 of their starting front 7 and 8 of their starting 11. It's a big rebuild job. They've recruited well, but we all know how it goes to lose a crapload of talent at once (ahem, 2017 -> 2018 Bama secondary).

At, DLine they do return some guys at End who can play, but their presumed starters at Tackle both sat out Spring because of surgery. So, their "starters" at Tackle for Spring have been Mr. Nobody and his brother, Señor Nadie. Granted, I expect Clemson to have some young talent, but they should not be even remotely close to what they were in 2018 at DLine.

At LB, they redshirted a non-freshman last year who would've been a pretty good starter for most, and they do have some talent, but I didn't see any LBs stand out too much to my eye. Granted, spring games are like that sometimes, but nobody flashed except the guy I mentioned above, at least through the first half. Again, it's a bit of a rebuild job.

At, DB they lost 2 guys and had some spring injuries at corner, but they moved a WR over and he's apparently now a starter and pretty good. They seem to be solid at Safety with returning talent, but Corner is a bit of a concern. Again, this position is a bit of a rebuild job.

REGARDING THE GAME ITSELF:

Dabo was right next to Herbstriet and Galloway for basically the entire first half, and it's a good watch for Xs and Os buffs, and was pretty entertaining overall. However, and few things stuck out to me.

1) Lawrence was a tad inconsistent and they had a few drops. His drives, when they stalled, stalled more because of offensive execution rather than great defense. He, like Tua, enjoys the long ball, even if they're covered. Dabo gave him an earful after a bad read on one.

2) Speaking of that bad read, he threw it to a freshman being covered by an All-American, and he had an All-American WR on the other side being covered by a freshman. Lawrence told his coach that he "thought the DB was playing too far off", to which Dabo told him that "that's not the matchup. It's all about the matchup. You throw at the freshman." I found this fascinating, and it really explains a lot about Savion Smith's undoing in the Championship game. Dabo seems to really emphasize going after a defense's literal weakspot regarding personnel.

3) Granted, Dabo's spring game isn't 1s vs 1s or anything like that - he just divides the teams fairly evenly and let's the coaches choose which defense and offense they want coach in the game - defense A or defense B. And so, you can't really get a look at their starting D as a whole, but I cam away extremely unimpressed with them defensively. And the funny thing is, not one person talked about it. Dabo, Herbie, and Galloway talked about offense 100% of the time, with the exception of mentioning a young player one or twice. It was like Clemson Skill Talent Appreciation Day and everybody was celebrating.

Everyone was gushing over the skill guys, and lauding this throw and that catch. And I'm sitting there thinking, "I'd be concerned about the fact that no one was within 12 yards of the receiver." But hey, that's just me. And they didn't get much pass rush to my eye, either.

I'll just say this: Clemson needs to take several big steps forward if they want to have a defense good enough for our annual matchup in the Alabama Invitational come January.

4) I found a stark contrast in the fact that the most popular thread the last 2 days on this forum has been worry-warting about the presence of 2 players' Dad at practice, while Dabo openly comments positively that Tee Higgins mother can be heard over a 2/3 full stadium, yelling at her son to catch the ball after a drop.

Face it, many parents like to be around their children and be involved in their lives, and if done appropriately and with clear boundaries, it can not only NOT be a negative, it can be a strong positive. I also know that while Saban is a black and white process-style CEO, he's still a human, a father, and a grand-father. And while Bama is frequently focused on business, it would be folly to forget that we also foster an environment of inclusion regarding the players' familes, not only from Nick but from Mrs Terry, as well.

Sure, Dabo has created a nice family-oriented culture at Clemson, but many here (and in the media) act like Saban is running an emotionless institution, and it's just patently false.

In summary, Clemson will be nasty on offense if they sort out the Oline and pivot scheme-wise away from the TE, but defense ought to take somewhere between small step back and a really big one - I'm not sure which. Sure, their schedule is weak overall, and they like to be a completely different team late in the season, but they are losing an absolute ton on defense, and the replacements aren't exactly amazing. Some talent yes, but it's a huge rebuild.

I expect Clemson to be in the playoffs, but I think they have a lot more questions to answer on their team than we do. Just my 2 cents.

This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 5:57 pm
Posted by mistaken4193
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 5:53 pm to
I must be the only 1 not impressed with Lawrence last year. He threw up a lot of 50/50 balls that his recievers went up and got and against us all of the big plays were bust/Saivion Smith.
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:03 pm to
quote:

I must be the only 1 not impressed with Lawrence last year. He threw up a lot of 50/50 balls that his recievers went up and got and against us all of the big plays were bust/Saivion Smith.


Well, I was impressed with Lawrence. The kid can play. But I also think that he is human and tries to force balls when he shouldn't. But I think that QB is obviously one of the strengths of their team.

Regarding busts/Smith, I think that it's very, VERY clear that we were outcoached in the Championships game. No, I'm not talking about Saban and Dabo - I'm talking about the coordinators and position coaches. We did not develop depth like we needed to, and we had a piss poor plan on defense last year going into the game. Yes, I know, injuries at OLB and corner were devastating, but we were a better team than we showed that evening.

It also should be remembered that we got inside the 10 five times and came away with 3 points, and Lawrence had nothing to do with that. If we convert in the red zone like normal, we'd have gotten into a shootout and seen just how good he was. As the game played out, our offense shot itself in the foot so many times that Lawrence wasn't really performing under pressure. We'll see how his sophomore season turns out.
Posted by prevatt33
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:06 pm to
I will say this, after watching their spring game, I thought even moreso that Clemson better watch out for TexAM. Granted, they get the Aggies in Death Valley, but that Tiger defense did not impress me at all. Not at all.

Jimbo took over a talented team and has crushed it in recruiting. And if TexAM beats Clemson, I'm gonna laugh my dick off.
Posted by phil4bama
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:21 pm to
quote:

Sure, Dabo has created a nice family-oriented culture at Clemson, but many here (and in the media) act like Saban is running an emotionless institution, and it's just patently false.


I agree with this statement wholeheartedly and I’m sure everyone else here does too but it doesn’t matter. The media has bought into Dabo’s little family atmosphere and “aw, shucks” persona while Saban is the media-devouring emperor of the evil empire and a cold-hearted a-hole and curmudgeon. It sells and they love it so good luck changing that narrative.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 6:43 pm to
Lawrence did NOT beat us. Their WR's did. Dabo gave it away and said exactly what I have been saying for weeks, they abused Saivion Smith and we never adjusted.

Lawrence would take the snap and look for 4, again and again.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:16 pm to
quote:

Tiger defense did not impress me at all. Not at all.


Well, it was a practice, so just like with ours I'm not going to take much away from it.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:49 pm to
Quite possibly, their 2 toughest regular season games will be both from the SEC ,both of whom Alabama plays on the road this season. And those games will be arguably Bama's 2nd and 6th toughest games.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 7:52 pm
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:23 pm to
quote:

Well, it was a practice, so just like with ours I'm not going to take much away from it.


You're talking about the whole, and I'm talking about the dudes. Clemson's spring game was noticeably absent of dudes - ballers, studs, etc., on that defense, especially on the front 7.

There are definitely things to take away...
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 9:24 pm
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:54 pm to
I said this to my Dad at lunch today. TAMU is getting ready to be something. I’d bet they eat Clemson it come close just like last year.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
16976 posts
Posted on 4/21/19 at 9:55 pm to
Super our coached. They were ready for Tua, they schemed our D, and shut us down in the red zone. Dead.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:03 pm to
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Lawrence did NOT beat us. Their OL did.


He had all day.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:05 pm to
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Having said that, I think Bama could win the ACC with Slade Bolden at QB


Posted by 4quartaBamaball
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Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/21/19 at 10:48 pm to
Lawrence made great reads all night. Delivered money balls when he had to and didnt make mistakes.

Lawrence is great player who had one of his most complete games against the Tide in the natty.

Clemson will be tough as always.
Posted by coachcrisp
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 7:24 am to
An excellent read and sensible analysis. I especially appreciated the comment about parent involvement, and the proven fact that Saban won't hesitate to address a potential problem....silly to even worry about it. Finally, as we ALL know it's easier to get to the top than to STAY at the top. Clemson had a vendetta to pursue last year....we've got one this year....we'll see how it plays out!
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:19 am to
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Lawrence did NOT beat us. Their OL did.


He had all day.


I remember him getting the ball out quickly rather than him having all day.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:19 am to
quote:

Clemson will be tough as always.



Their defense will take a big step back IMO
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 10:41 am to
Clemson likely wont play a ranked team from September 15th to December 28th. What a joke
Posted by prevatt33
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:01 am to
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Clemson likely wont play a ranked team from September 15th to December 28th. What a joke


At SoCar to end the season is a respectable game. But still, your point remains. Their schedule is so bad that they could be on the outside looking in if they drop a game. Unlikely scenario, but certainly possible.

In their defense, it's not their fault. The ACC just sucks. Two of their 3 most difficult games are SEC teams.
Posted by Glorious
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Posted on 4/22/19 at 11:24 am to
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At SoCar to end the season is a respectable game. But still, your point remains


Yea its just a combination of everything. Raleigh is a tough place to play too but they play Wofford before going there. Also 9 days to prepare for A&M and a bye week before going to Columbia. Then to top it all off they'll play a virtual home game against an 8-4 team in the ACC championship
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