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re: Upon Rewatch: Tua Has a Lot of Room for Improvement
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:59 pm to pvilleguru
Posted on 1/11/18 at 2:59 pm to pvilleguru
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In the sense that he was lucky that UGA couldn't capitalize on his mistakes.
Because the defense bailed him out. Mostly because they were rested enough to do so.
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:05 pm to Kcoyote
Well it was pretty fluky that Fromm threw the ball off the back of our defender and just fortunate that their DB didn't intercept the ball on the throw into triple coverage. I don't think you can attribute either of those to the defense being rested.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:08 pm to pvilleguru
I would hope the defense was tested due to the halftime break. Their performance in the 2nd half hasnt gotten enough credit.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:09 pm to Bamainva40
They finally figured out how to get off the field on 3rd down.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:21 pm to pvilleguru
Agree - and they were having trouble tackling and getting off on third down in the first half even before TOP came into play. Saban said it when he went into the lockerroom at half that essentially the whole team was making uncharacteristic mental mistakes.
Whole team came out and played much better in the second half. Still made some mistakes but seemed to have a bit more fire - I'm sure they were reminded that they only had 30 more minutes to change the outcome and not end it like they did last year.
Whole team came out and played much better in the second half. Still made some mistakes but seemed to have a bit more fire - I'm sure they were reminded that they only had 30 more minutes to change the outcome and not end it like they did last year.
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:59 pm to Sneaky__Sally
Did the team as a whole play poorly in the first half because they were frustrated and demoralized by the offensive performance? It’s reasonable to think of them making mental mistakes they don’t typically make because they knew what was at stake and saw blown plays and complete impotence and incompetence on the part of the offense. We’ve already heard how they demanded the change at the half.
Regarding Tua’s play, I’ve watched it again too and yeah, I’ve seen where there were several times that better choices were available. I’d like some opinions on this: most of the time it looks like Tua is looking for the home run, the big play and passes up open receivers that were easy throws. Do y’all think this was due to the situation, the pressure of knowing we were playing catch-up? Or was it the inexperience and over exuberance of the freshman?
If you want an example to look at, go back and look at the sack play. Hindsight is 20/20 but this one is so obvious. Damien motions out of the backfield to stack behind the WR on the left. The ball is snapped and the receivers go downfield on intermediate to long routes but Damien just turns and faces Tua as a safety valve and is wide open. Tua is waiting on the longer routes to develop when the pressure comes. By now, a LB has spotted Harris and is closing fast. He’s covered. But on the other side, Hengtes, who stayed in to block initially, releases to the right and is wide open in the flat to the right. But Tua is trying his pirouette out of trouble that resulted in the sack. He passed up two easy short throws looking deeper at guys who are covered. Thoughts?
Regarding Tua’s play, I’ve watched it again too and yeah, I’ve seen where there were several times that better choices were available. I’d like some opinions on this: most of the time it looks like Tua is looking for the home run, the big play and passes up open receivers that were easy throws. Do y’all think this was due to the situation, the pressure of knowing we were playing catch-up? Or was it the inexperience and over exuberance of the freshman?
If you want an example to look at, go back and look at the sack play. Hindsight is 20/20 but this one is so obvious. Damien motions out of the backfield to stack behind the WR on the left. The ball is snapped and the receivers go downfield on intermediate to long routes but Damien just turns and faces Tua as a safety valve and is wide open. Tua is waiting on the longer routes to develop when the pressure comes. By now, a LB has spotted Harris and is closing fast. He’s covered. But on the other side, Hengtes, who stayed in to block initially, releases to the right and is wide open in the flat to the right. But Tua is trying his pirouette out of trouble that resulted in the sack. He passed up two easy short throws looking deeper at guys who are covered. Thoughts?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:31 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Upon Rewatch: Tua Has a Lot of Room for Improvement
Well, there's an effing revelation. The play before making one of the greatest plays in the history of college football, he took the worst sack in the history of college football. Not to mention throwing an interception on a play where all his receivers were run blocking.
Most of us don't need to rewatch it to know he has a lot of room for improvement. He is an incredible talent with huge upside.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:34 pm to BamaGradinTn
Tua is a freshman IF he did not have room for improvement,I would be seriously worried. 
Don't we all want him to have a great upside?
Don't we all want him to have a great upside?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 11:55 pm to My2Bits
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Tua is a freshman IF he did not have room for improvement,I would be seriously worried. Don't we all want him to have a great upside?
A lot of this thread is doubling down on the jalen vs tua debate that has gone all on all season. Tua has 1 half of meaningful stats yet we have a 4 page thread on "Tua has a lot of room for improvement." Water is wet. Some of the strongest Jalen defenders are the ones pointing out flaws in a player on our team's game that was the offensive MVP with one half of football. Such much bias it hurts.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:07 am to KareemAbdul
Some of them have a helluva lot of egg on their faces because Saban did exactly what they swore he never would do.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:40 am to BamaGradinTn
To be fair going into the half a lot of people, on both sides of the debate, were saying Saban wouldn't change qb's - but those comments were probably largely attributable to frustration at that point. Saban was preparing for this scenario in the bowl season practices, planning for every alternative and proving again why he is the GOAT along with Bryant.
I thought that the spring was where we would see a switch unless Hurts took some huge step forward to take command of the offense this season. After the MSU game i thought it may have clicked and he may have been ready for that next step but it was not to be in the Iron Bowl.
Definitely didn't anticipate him regressing or meshing that badly with the Daboll offensive system. But no need to get into all that again, Hurts achieved a lot as Bama's starter and took the team as far as he could while giving Tua ample time to get his feet under him and get accustomed to the speed and differences in the college game relative to HS.
Tua obviously still has areas to improve but with his arm talent, which really was never in question by anyone (i don't think it was at least) the sky is the limit on what he can achieve. The near future definitely looks good for Bama fans with all the young talent that was on display in that game.
I thought that the spring was where we would see a switch unless Hurts took some huge step forward to take command of the offense this season. After the MSU game i thought it may have clicked and he may have been ready for that next step but it was not to be in the Iron Bowl.
Definitely didn't anticipate him regressing or meshing that badly with the Daboll offensive system. But no need to get into all that again, Hurts achieved a lot as Bama's starter and took the team as far as he could while giving Tua ample time to get his feet under him and get accustomed to the speed and differences in the college game relative to HS.
Tua obviously still has areas to improve but with his arm talent, which really was never in question by anyone (i don't think it was at least) the sky is the limit on what he can achieve. The near future definitely looks good for Bama fans with all the young talent that was on display in that game.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:01 am to KareemAbdul
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A lot of this thread is doubling down on the jalen vs tua debate that has gone all on all season. Tua has 1 half of meaningful stats yet we have a 4 page thread on "Tua has a lot of room for improvement." Water is wet. Some of the strongest Jalen defenders are the ones pointing out flaws in a player on our team's game that was the offensive MVP with one half of football. Such much bias it hurts.
Personally, I just get tired of the way people bash Jalen more so than being "pro" either player. I'll support whoever Saban puts out there.
Ok with me:
Jalen needs to work on his pocket passing, he's missing wide open TE's on 3rd down, he's moving away from the pocket to early and needs to learn how to step up into it and complete the pass.
Fans that suck cancer balls:
Jalen sucks, we'll never win a national championship with him at QB. We need to put Tua in right away, I'm not going to watch Alabama football unless Saban does exactly what I want. All our players are going to transfer, the sky is falling, I know everything and Saban doesn't. Page 2 of my manifesto will be posted tomorrow and I'm going to sit here everyday trying to find new ways to complain and shite on the players.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:13 am to 3down10
It’s going to fun watching Tua improve over the next few years! 
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:43 am to tider04
Ball security, for starters.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:58 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Whole team came out and played much better in the second half
It’s called hope.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:01 am to Gj4Bama
I'm not bashing anybody. I've been among the camp yearning for Tua since about the LSU game, but I've tried to stay out of the nasty name-calling insult throwing as much as possible. Now that Tua played and showed the tremendous potential he has, I'm excited as hell about his development going forward. Dear sweet baby Jesus, let us develop Tua and not let him plateau right where he is as we have done with so many QB's before him.
I think the OP's intent, and certainly the reason for my participation in this thread was to analyze and discuss Tua's performance Monday night. I don't want to bash the kid, I want to dissect his limited catalogue of meaningful plays and see areas where he can indeed improve. The rest of you that want to bitch, gripe, point fingers, and call names, go start your own thread to play in. Sheesh, I'm trying to bask in the awesomeness of #17. Go rain on someone else's parade.
I think the OP's intent, and certainly the reason for my participation in this thread was to analyze and discuss Tua's performance Monday night. I don't want to bash the kid, I want to dissect his limited catalogue of meaningful plays and see areas where he can indeed improve. The rest of you that want to bitch, gripe, point fingers, and call names, go start your own thread to play in. Sheesh, I'm trying to bask in the awesomeness of #17. Go rain on someone else's parade.
Posted on 1/12/18 at 11:02 am to phil4bama
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Sheesh, I'm trying to bask in the awesomeness of #17. Go rain on someone else's parade.
Truth.
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