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Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:09 pm
Maybe it is just me but...

the expectations of perfection for BAMA, by our fans, the media, and most of our competition, are absurd.

Saban has had exactly one undefeated season during his tenure at BAMA. One! And that was in his 3rd year.

Congrats to LSU, they were the better team last Sat. But, acting like a cripple that miraculously beat Usain Bolt in the 100m is silly.

It's not the end of the world, BAMA, or Saban. Our expectations and other teams obsessions are unhealthy and unrealistic.

Posted by KareemAbdul
Member since Dec 2012
1728 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:10 pm to
Yep. We have won some crazy close games where enough of the bounces went our way. Saturday they just didn't.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:14 pm to
Yea - we lost to a really good team. It happens. Tip your cap, move on.

It sucks because it was basically a Divisional Title game, but they have a great team with the best QB in the country and a savant offensive coordinator. Other programs have great teams sometimes too. Even ones we've beaten a bunch of times in a row.

As much as it pains me to think about, one day TENNESSEE is going to have one of those teams and beat us again.































LOL just kidding that's never happening again
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62725 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:28 pm to
Since 2011, Bama has had 7 regular season losses, including Saturday.
Think about that.
7 in 8+ seasons. Certainly, we should appreciate that.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:30 pm to
LSU is already scrambling to keep their passing game coordinator Brady. With all of the recent and pending coqch firings, he is sure to be offered an offensive coordinator job, if not a head coaching gig at a mid major when their coach elevates.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14471 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:31 pm to
He may get a P5 offer. Wouldn’t surprise me.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62725 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 4:35 pm to
shite. No other team's lose their coordinators. Especially the way Alabama does.
I'll be surprised if he's not at LSU next year
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:04 pm to
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hey have a great team with the best QB in the country


If Burrow is the best qb in the country why is this the only year he has shown it?

Tua has proven himself since his true freshman year that he's a better qb when he's healthy.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:12 pm to
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If Burrow is the best qb in the country why is this the only year he has shown it?


Uh, because he's running an actual modern offense and not being forced to throw 2 wide receiver pass routes and only on 3rd and 8+?

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Tua has proven himself since his true freshman year that he's a better qb when he's healthy.


I don't really think that is true (and Tua has been very good overall). Burrow is finally playing in a real offense and he's been near perfect for the entire season.

This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 5:19 pm
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62725 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:15 pm to
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when he's healthy.

Unfortunately, he hasn't been able to make a season to find out.
I'm curious how NFL GMs are going to look at drafting him.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9415 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:29 pm to
Tua will be a top 4/5 pick. Tua has made excellence his standard and when he's off people think less of him.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:36 pm to
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Uh, because he's running an actual modern offense and not being forced to throw 2 wide receiver pass routes and only on 3rd and 8+?



So that accounts for his 57.8 completion pct last year? Makes you wonder, I guess, how many elite quarterbacks never got the chance to prove how awesome they were because they were playing with conservative offenses. Nevermind that most SEC were conservative offense up until recently. Kind of weird that Cam Newton proved how good he was, yet other Auburn quarterbacks running the same Malzahn offense did not. Also kind of weird that the greatest quarterback in college football had to transfer to get playing time.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9415 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:38 pm to
Saban called Burrow a good QB playing in a system. He said that for a reason. Burrow is excellent in that system.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9415 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:40 pm to
Tua is our Deshaun Watson. Best QB ever in our program, will be an excellent pro but his routine excellence will not allow him to win a Heisman.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:42 pm to
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So that accounts for his 57.8 completion pct last year? Makes you wonder, I guess, how many elite quarterbacks never got the chance to prove how awesome they were because they were playing with conservative offenses. Nevermind that most SEC were conservative offense up until recently. Kind of weird that Cam Newton proved how good he was, yet other Auburn quarterbacks running the same Malzahn offense did not. Also kind of weird that the greatest quarterback in college football had to transfer to get playing time.



So is your argument that he's only good because of his system? I mean, it is one or the other, because he's been as good and as efficient statistically this season as anyone in the history of college football.

If so, that's much more terrifying, because they'll just keep having QBs be this good until Brady leaves.

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Kind of weird that Cam Newton proved how good he was, yet other Auburn quarterbacks running the same Malzahn offense did not. Also kind of weird that the greatest quarterback in college football had to transfer to get playing time.


Cam Newton was basically built in a lab to run Gus Malzahn's system - especially when it came with a really good offensive line. What are you talking about?
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 5:44 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9415 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:45 pm to
The fun and gun made a lot of average QBs look great. We have seen good systems before. Burrow is in a good system that is being studied right now and might be exposed by the time of the playoff
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:51 pm to
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So is your argument that he's only good because of his system? I mean, it is one or the other, because he's been as good and as efficient statistically this season as anyone in the history of college football.



My only "argument" is that he isn't the best quarterback in the nation, and isn't as good as a healthy Tua Tagovailoa.

The best quarterbacks in the nation don't have to transfer to get playing time, and they don't complete only 57% of their passes only because they're in a conservative offense.

Burrow wasn't even chosen 2nd team preseason all SEC by the coaches in the conference. He's a good quarterback that has had a very good year in a conference that doesn't have many very good defenses this year. Auburn is the best defense he's played this year and he threw 1 td, countered by 1 interception, and a ESPN qb rating of 60.9.

Tua has proven himself every year, and lest we forget, set an alltime ncaa single season record for passing efficiency. And yes, with the demise of dominating defenses, records will continue to fall as long as prevailing rules favor the offense.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 5:53 pm to
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Tua has proven himself every year, and lest we forget, set an alltime ncaa single season record for passing efficiency.


Which Jalen, Tua and Burrow are all about to break.

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The best quarterbacks in the nation don't have to transfer to get playing time


3 straight Heisman winners will be QBs that transferred. The last 2 #1 picks (and possibly 3 straight) were transfer QBs.
Posted by John Milner
Member since Jan 2015
6458 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:02 pm to
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3 straight Heisman winners will be QBs that transferred.


And Riley is the best quarterback coach in the nation. It's probably why Hurts went to OU, not to mention they play in a no defense conference. The SEC is trending that way.

Tua was also the favorite last year to win the Heisman, before his injury, same as this year, so evidently a lot of other people thought he was the best qb prior to his injuries. Even with the inujury he won the Maxwell Award, which goes to the college player of the year. You ignored the fact he set the alltime ncaa record for passing efficiency

But hey, if you think Joe Burrow is the best quarterback in the nation, that's your prerogative. 1 good season out of 4 just doesn't add up to that imo.
This post was edited on 11/11/19 at 6:05 pm
Posted by Bham4Tide
In a Van down by the River
Member since Feb 2011
22083 posts
Posted on 11/11/19 at 6:09 pm to
It is absurd.

It still sucks to lose a game you could have won. Pretty much all lost Bama games have been this way - save Utah and Ohio State early on.
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