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re: University of Alabama system to review all building names, remove Confederate Army plaques
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:22 am to BamaBo7
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:22 am to BamaBo7
Very well said Bo.
I’m a History PhD and I don’t throw my weight around because frankly I don’t use the degree it was a gift from the Army.
My thoughts, many of these items have a stigma and are a temporary bandaid to a larger cause. However, at minimum I want to see all of them in a museum or battleground. They should not be destroyed. What happened to the 54th Massachusetts Memorial was horrible and shows the complete lack of education in our country. There is no finer example of American men of different races fighting and dying together.
This same notion is carried when people constantly misidentify the Confederate Flag with the Battle Flags of the Army of Northern Virginia and Tennessee respectively. These flags were brought back by the KKK and the Dixiecrats as a banner of hate quite frankly. It’s a lack of understanding and context. Applying today’s morality to the dead of history is ignorant.
I love our University and I think they can honor the dead while also making it tasteful. As it was mentioned, where is the line drawn with slave owners? The answer is you uplift their good deeds for this country as many of these Confederate generals did prior to the war and teach their faults to the young generation.
I’m a History PhD and I don’t throw my weight around because frankly I don’t use the degree it was a gift from the Army.
My thoughts, many of these items have a stigma and are a temporary bandaid to a larger cause. However, at minimum I want to see all of them in a museum or battleground. They should not be destroyed. What happened to the 54th Massachusetts Memorial was horrible and shows the complete lack of education in our country. There is no finer example of American men of different races fighting and dying together.
This same notion is carried when people constantly misidentify the Confederate Flag with the Battle Flags of the Army of Northern Virginia and Tennessee respectively. These flags were brought back by the KKK and the Dixiecrats as a banner of hate quite frankly. It’s a lack of understanding and context. Applying today’s morality to the dead of history is ignorant.
I love our University and I think they can honor the dead while also making it tasteful. As it was mentioned, where is the line drawn with slave owners? The answer is you uplift their good deeds for this country as many of these Confederate generals did prior to the war and teach their faults to the young generation.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:37 am to Fleurs
Good. The Confederate shite belongs in museums, not as banners for the ignorant to glorify. There were a lot of good men who died on both sides, and they can be honored by their families for who they were, not for their acts in supporting the wrong side.
I'm as southern a white man as there is. I can be proud of my heritage without glorifying that terrible war. It's time for all the people who want to pretend they're some kind of rebel hero to grow up and show some love and respect to their actual neighbors instead of the memory of some mythical cause.
I'm as southern a white man as there is. I can be proud of my heritage without glorifying that terrible war. It's time for all the people who want to pretend they're some kind of rebel hero to grow up and show some love and respect to their actual neighbors instead of the memory of some mythical cause.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:43 am to Fleurs
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So, my son sent me this. How many of you really believe that the SGA has the power to get the university to make these drastic changes?
It also says the building to rename are the Gorgas library and house, and Morgan Hall.
Amelia Gorgas was married to a soldier for heavens sake.
So, my son sent me this. How many of you really believe that the SGA has the power to get the university to make these drastic changes?
It also says the building to rename are the Gorgas library and house, and Morgan Hall.
Amelia Gorgas was married to a soldier for heavens sake.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:51 am to BamaMamaof2
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How many of you really believe that the SGA has the power to get the university to make these drastic changes?
Is renaming a building a drastic change?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:05 am to pvilleguru
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Is renaming a building a drastic change?
Well, yes it is, especially Amelia Gorgas Library, who was basically the first lady of our university. She worked in the hospital on campus and when her husband died she became the first woman librarian at Bama. Also, this is the first building named after a woman.
Can you give me a reason to rename the building?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:06 am to BamaMamaof2
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How many of you really believe that the SGA has the power to get the university to make these drastic changes?
These are changes that have been pushed for since at least 2004. It is inevitable.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:10 am to CapstoneGrad06
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These are changes that have been pushed for since at least 2004. It is inevitable.
Renaming Amelia Gorgas library?
I haven't heard anything about that and can't think of a possible reason to rename that building.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:16 am to CrimsonBoz
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This same notion is carried when people constantly misidentify the Confederate Flag with the Battle Flags of the Army of Northern Virginia and Tennessee respectively.
Even well educated people including many of the press do not understand the difference between these flags. They confuse them without knowing the difference.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:21 am to TideWarrior
Sadly it’s true. They pass it off as no big deal but, that’s like saying Sherman was a Confederate and Grant never touched a drop of alcohol.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:24 am to BamaMamaof2
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Renaming Amelia Gorgas library?
I haven't heard anything about that and can't think of a possible reason to rename that building.
Yes. It was on a list of a few around campus, when I was in undergrad.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:25 am to BamaMamaof2
There have been pushes to change the name on Nott Hall.
I also remember a protest in front of that plaque in front of the library when I was a student in the early 90's. It was only about 15-20 people though, and they didn't seem well organized.
I also remember a protest in front of that plaque in front of the library when I was a student in the early 90's. It was only about 15-20 people though, and they didn't seem well organized.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:27 am to BamaMamaof2
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Can you give me a reason to rename the building?
It is because of her husband.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:29 am to The Spleen
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I also remember a protest in front of that plaque in front of the library when I was a student in the early 90's. It was only about 15-20 people though, and they didn't seem well organized
Enrollment has doubled and become more diverse than it was in the early 90's. I remember some pretty strong support for some of these changes 14 years ago.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:31 am to BamaMamaof2
Agree about Gorgas Library. That should not be renamed.
Her accomplishments are her own.
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It is because of her husband.
Her accomplishments are her own.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:33 am to mre
I will go and fight if someone tries to change Manly Hall. I don't know who the hell Manly was, but it always gave me a chuckle to see that women studies was hosted in that building every time I walked past.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:33 am to CrimsonBoz
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CrimsonBoz
Very well said Boz
Posted on 6/9/20 at 8:42 am to CrimsonBoz
The biggest problem so many do not understand regarding the monuments that has become the issue is not the monument itself what it was suppose to represent as much as the dedication speeches that went along with them.
UDC who was responsible for the majority of these used them as a platform to promote racism.
Those are from the dedication speech here where I live for a statue taken down and moved to private property.
When you read this type of language in the speeches during their dedication along with pure white blood(anglo-saxon & aryan) and some promoting the return of slavery you can better understand the issue with the monuments.
All the dedication speeches by UDC were like this.
UDC who was responsible for the majority of these used them as a platform to promote racism.
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“Slavery in the South rested upon the natural supremacy of the white race over the black
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We are told that education has done and is doing much for the once enslaved race. But education cannot wipe out the eternal distinction that has been drawn by the hand of nature. No teaching can turn a black man into a white one.
Those are from the dedication speech here where I live for a statue taken down and moved to private property.
When you read this type of language in the speeches during their dedication along with pure white blood(anglo-saxon & aryan) and some promoting the return of slavery you can better understand the issue with the monuments.
All the dedication speeches by UDC were like this.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:12 am to TideWarrior
I’d actually be fine with these statues and monuments staying up if they also put up markers next to them with the dedication speeches and the motivation for originally putting them up.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:25 am to CrimsonBoz
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The answer is you uplift their good deeds for this country as many of these Confederate generals did prior to the war and teach their faults to the young generation.
And some after the war. Joseph Wheeler was an outstanding confederate cavalry commander who after the war went on to command US Cavalry as a Major General in Cuba during the Spanish American War. He is buried in Arlington.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 9:28 am to The Spleen
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I’d actually be fine with these statues and monuments staying up if they also put up markers next to them with the dedication speeches and the motivation for originally putting them up.
Agree - and I see no argument against it as those who argue against their removal argue from a position of "not destroying history".
Adding the speeches given at their unvealing is the definition of historical documentation.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 9:29 am
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