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re: Tua going forward
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:54 am to phil4bama
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:54 am to phil4bama
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My favorite part of Tua’s game and one that I hope to God they don’t try to coach out of him: even on the mistakes, the INT, the sack Tua is trying to make a play
There's a difference between trying to make a play and making a stupid play. He needs to learn that difference.
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Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:59 am to pvilleguru
I'm ok with occasionally trying to force a throw, but trying to force a throw on a play that every WR thinks is a run is completely different.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:00 am to phil4bama
#13 does a great job of using his legs in his throwing motion. The TD pass carried about 48 yards in the air and that might be his limit. He throws a beautiful ball. The Snake threw a great ball as well with most being a perfect spiral.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:04 am to phil4bama
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Kiffin said of the game winning play, the ball is supposed to be thrown to the single WR on the right because they are in cover 2 on the left and nobody over there should be open.
I don't give a rat's tit what Coach Twitter has to say anymore. Regardless of where that ball was supposed to go or who shouldn't have been open the fact is this:
He threw an absolute rope from 48yds out on the fricking money. I love Jalen as a young man and a player but we all witnessed him miss wide open receivers over the past 2 seasons that left us flustered and scratching our heads. Tua WILL make mistakes and have some growing pains but he has the arm and skills to do some great things for the Tide.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:10 am to pvilleguru
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There's a difference between trying to make a play and making a stupid play. He needs to learn that difference.
Definitely needs to have some gunslinger (obviously he will) but he is good enough that throwing it away a time or two instead of making a triple coverage throw and living for the following play will result in more points and scoring opportunities for himself / the team. Its a blurry line and he will need to figure out where it is - I am sure that he will.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:11 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Definitely needs to have some gunslinger (obviously he will) but he is good enough that throwing it away a time or two instead of making a triple coverage throw and living for the following play will result in more points and scoring opportunities for himself / the team. Its a blurry line and he will need to figure out where it is - I am sure that he will.
I agree with all of this.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:16 am to phil4bama
Tua literally talked about holding the safety with his eyes in his interview 30 seconds after it happened. Then we all saw it in the replay. It was next level QB play that Jalen hasn't done in 2 years. Kiffin is trolling.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:16 am to phil4bama
Georgia was confused as hell when Tua started slinging it. They were not prepared for that.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:22 am to phil4bama
Tua going forward...
Tua is 18 years old. Tua is under 6' tall with NFL sized linemen and D-line players in front of him. Tua has a fantastic quick release but the release point is low even for his height. Tua's release point changes play by play which does help keeping it from being as easy to knock down. Tua has fantastic ball placement and reads secondaries incredibly well for his age and experience.
Tua is only a freshman and does not yet read pressures consistently. If he has good and consistent QB coaching and is willing to put in the extra time with Coach Saban like AJ did on Sundays, he will get better at reading pressures.
The biggest issue for Tua going forward is that he will be facing fantastic DC from other SEC teams and once they have 5 or 6 games of him on film (not just 1 half of game on the line) they will find his weakneses. Once just 1 of them finds the flaw, all of the others will follow the plan.
The big advantage Tua has is all of the tools he will have around him in Tuscaloosa. Once he learns to fully utilize them, he can be a great college QB and leader. How that may translate to the next level is a discussion for a couple of years down the line. Until then, it should be fun to watch.
There were lots of teams this year with great QB play but DC's with 15 to 20 years experience ended up stopping them and a team with a QB would "couldn't throw" made it to the final game. Saban does not want a team that is QB -centric. He wants a QB he trusts to use all of the tools around him. Here's to the hope that Tua can be that guy and in doing so take his team back to the top of the pile another time or two.
Tua is 18 years old. Tua is under 6' tall with NFL sized linemen and D-line players in front of him. Tua has a fantastic quick release but the release point is low even for his height. Tua's release point changes play by play which does help keeping it from being as easy to knock down. Tua has fantastic ball placement and reads secondaries incredibly well for his age and experience.
Tua is only a freshman and does not yet read pressures consistently. If he has good and consistent QB coaching and is willing to put in the extra time with Coach Saban like AJ did on Sundays, he will get better at reading pressures.
The biggest issue for Tua going forward is that he will be facing fantastic DC from other SEC teams and once they have 5 or 6 games of him on film (not just 1 half of game on the line) they will find his weakneses. Once just 1 of them finds the flaw, all of the others will follow the plan.
The big advantage Tua has is all of the tools he will have around him in Tuscaloosa. Once he learns to fully utilize them, he can be a great college QB and leader. How that may translate to the next level is a discussion for a couple of years down the line. Until then, it should be fun to watch.
There were lots of teams this year with great QB play but DC's with 15 to 20 years experience ended up stopping them and a team with a QB would "couldn't throw" made it to the final game. Saban does not want a team that is QB -centric. He wants a QB he trusts to use all of the tools around him. Here's to the hope that Tua can be that guy and in doing so take his team back to the top of the pile another time or two.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:33 am to phil4bama
Tua said in his interview that he held the safety. Yes the safety blew his assignment, but the corner also blew his assignment of getting hands on the wr. The safety thought he could cheat over because the ball is not supposed to go to that receiver. Tua was able to see that Smith was open and running free, but more importantly he had the effortless arm strength to throw it 48 yards on a rope rather than having to loft it up, which with a regular qb would have given the safety plenty of time to get back over there. There are not many qbs even in the pros that could make that exact throw, so the safety wasnt making the egregious error people think, he just didn't know what he was dealing with and thought he could edge over to where the play was supposed to go
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:40 am to narddogg81
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The safety thought he could cheat over because the ball is not supposed to go to that receiver.
The ball wasn't supposed to go to that that WR because the WR got around the corner on the inside and the safety should have been closer to the sideline. The throw was only open because the Safety didn't play his assignment.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:44 am to narddogg81
I think that it's pretty obvious that he some work to do - he is a true freshman. If he didnt continue to learn and improve, that would be dumb, and seemingly out of character for a guy like him.
I will say this: what he came in and did in the NC game with no significant playing time is one of the most amazing things I personally have ever seen in sports. I mean, I am still processing it.
The fact that he did it with freshman WRs(besides Calvin of course) is even more insane. I know that I'm a sunshine pumper, and have unconditional support for our players through thick and thin, but I have a very difficult time not believing that Tua and co are going to extend Saban's reign of terror on college football in a way that even Alabama fan's have not yet seen.
I will say this: what he came in and did in the NC game with no significant playing time is one of the most amazing things I personally have ever seen in sports. I mean, I am still processing it.
The fact that he did it with freshman WRs(besides Calvin of course) is even more insane. I know that I'm a sunshine pumper, and have unconditional support for our players through thick and thin, but I have a very difficult time not believing that Tua and co are going to extend Saban's reign of terror on college football in a way that even Alabama fan's have not yet seen.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:46 am to pvilleguru
quote:I guess you didn't understand my post, in which I said the corner and the safety missed their assignments, but that ordinarily even that would have not mattered except that tua could throw 48 yard lasers. And the reason the safety was out of position is because, like kiffin said, the ball is no supposed to go to the single receiver. The defense knows that the same as kiffin and our offense.
The ball wasn't supposed to go to that that WR because the WR got around the corner on the inside and the safety should have been closer to the sideline. The throw was only open because the Safety didn't play his assignment.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:48 am to narddogg81
Heard somewhere and i think it may have been Saban that said it, that the interception was a design run where all the WRs were blocking which is why they were all scratching their helmets looking at each other after the interception.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:50 am to narddogg81
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so the safety wasnt making the egregious error people think
As a former safety, I can say every error a S makes is egregious. It's right in the name of the position. For him to get planted on the hash like that is really, and I mean really, bad. He needs to be on top of everything.
It's more important that a safety play his assignment to the letter than almost anyone on the field.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:50 am to phil4bama
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Kiffin said of the game winning play, the ball is supposed to be thrown to the single WR on the right because they are in cover 2 on the left and nobody over there should be open.
Maybe the first read Aaron Rogers makes isn't that receiver. But I'll be damned if that safety misplays the coverage that where Aaron Rogers throws the ball. So yes Kiff is probably right in that he shouldn't have been open...but the FACT remains he was open and TuTugs identified the misplay by the safety and made the throw. Hurts doesn't make that read, period.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:51 am to PCRammer
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Hurts doesn't make that read, period.
Or throw. I was more impressed by the 45 yard rope.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:54 am to phil4bama
It's amazing to me at how accurate he was with his limited PT.
I noticed the placement of some of his passes in the flats would push WRs to stepping up or moving forward to make the catch. Looked like they weren't ready sometimes, and were caught flat footed.
So just like he will need more reps with the 1st team Offense to gel even more, they too will need to get in the groove of a Qb throwing passes to be caught in stride.
Our YAC is gonna be deadly.
I noticed the placement of some of his passes in the flats would push WRs to stepping up or moving forward to make the catch. Looked like they weren't ready sometimes, and were caught flat footed.
So just like he will need more reps with the 1st team Offense to gel even more, they too will need to get in the groove of a Qb throwing passes to be caught in stride.
Our YAC is gonna be deadly.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:54 am to JuiceTerry
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Tua literally talked about holding the safety with his eyes in his interview 30 seconds after it happened. Then we all saw it in the replay. It was next level QB play that Jalen hasn't done in 2 years. Kiffin is trolling.
Mac talked about it on Finebaum,,,,said that was next level NFL stuff
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:55 am to Funky Tide 8
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The fact that he did it with freshman WRs(besides Calvin of course) is even more insane
Foster had an important catch on a throw that was high and behind.
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