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re: Thoughts on how to handle blowouts vs conference teams this season?
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 7/18/19 at 2:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Hmmmmm gonna need to know field conditions
Perfectly cut grass (not too high, not too low), sunny, rained 3 days before but none since, and a temperature of 69 degrees F. Wind out of the east at 1 knot. September 32nd, 12:60pm kickoff.
This post was edited on 7/18/19 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 7/18/19 at 3:14 pm to prevatt33
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Perfectly cut grass (not too high, not too low), sunny, rained 3 days before but none since, and a temperature of 69 degrees F. Wind out of the east at 1 knot. September 32nd, 12:60pm kickoff.
I don't like the sub 70 temps for the bare feet but other than that I see no reason why we don't win by 52
Posted on 7/18/19 at 3:45 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I don't think 3 degrees below room temperature matters when the body is warm.
The issue would be in the trenches. I think we'd have to pass and run east and west. A lot of trap blocking if running between the tackles. We're really not gonna push people around in bare feet.
The other issue is at defensive back. We won't be glue on WRs in bare feet.
I honestly think it'd be close. Cleats are a HUGE advantage.
The issue would be in the trenches. I think we'd have to pass and run east and west. A lot of trap blocking if running between the tackles. We're really not gonna push people around in bare feet.
The other issue is at defensive back. We won't be glue on WRs in bare feet.
I honestly think it'd be close. Cleats are a HUGE advantage.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:04 pm to prevatt33
Could we beat Duke if every Bama player wore an eyepatch and drank 9 Budweisers?
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Play the starters until the game is well in hand.
Then put the 2nd string in and still use the game plan. If the other team can't stop Bama's 2nd string, then oh well run the score up.
Then put the 2nd string in and still use the game plan. If the other team can't stop Bama's 2nd string, then oh well run the score up.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 4:35 pm to pvilleguru
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Put the back ups in but let them continue to use the same plays/game plan. Don't just put them in and run 3 plays up the middle and punt.
This is something that irks me the most. The advantage of getting your subs playing time in a real game is to develop them in a real game situation.
We are so scared of "running up the score" we run 3 runs up the gut and punt for the final quarter of many regular season games.
If there's an injury or something and they have to play in a competitive game, they won't just be grinding out the clock.
Run your actual offense and defense with the subs.
Posted on 7/18/19 at 5:23 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:Bingo! The conditioning aspect is a very real concern. During the season, teams aren't physically pushed from a conditioning standpoint during the week. If you've got players who are accustomed to playing 20 plays per game, they're not going to be at their peak in a tough game where they may have to go 30+ plays at a high level.
Personally I don't think the "lack of killer instinct" thing comes from pulling starters by halftime at all. If anything I'd think conditioning would be more directly affected by that. If it's game 3 or 4 or whatever and your starters have all sat the 2nd half the game, I don't think that has one iota to do with the 2nd half of game 11 or 12 or 13.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 7:15 pm to coachcrisp
I agree with subbing early and often but let them run the whole playbook. Coach Bryant was famous for this, but running the wishbone, nobody could really accuse you of running up the score.
Let the subs run the offense. If the opponent can't stop it, their problem, not ours. I wouldn't go out there throwing bombs or blitzing every play, but I would let them run a normal mix of plays. You can't have experienced depth if you handcuff them when you let them play.
The conditioning aspect is a legitimate concern. That's Cochran's job. I don't have a better answer for that.
Let the subs run the offense. If the opponent can't stop it, their problem, not ours. I wouldn't go out there throwing bombs or blitzing every play, but I would let them run a normal mix of plays. You can't have experienced depth if you handcuff them when you let them play.
The conditioning aspect is a legitimate concern. That's Cochran's job. I don't have a better answer for that.
Posted on 7/23/19 at 8:16 pm to coachcrisp
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If you've got players who are accustomed to playing 20 plays per game, they're not going to be at their peak in a tough game where they may have to go 30+ plays at a high level.
No coach or team in the sport uses games for conditioning purposes. This is what practices (including in-season and off-season conditioning) are for. By all accounts, Alabama practices are a grueling grind compared to the cake that is gameday.
This post was edited on 7/23/19 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:22 pm to prevatt33
quote:I didn't say they did. I said that weekday practices during the season aren't for "conditioning" purposes, and that if a player is accustomed to playing in the 20 play range during a game, and has to play significantly more plays (especially against strong competition), they may very likely struggle later in the game.
No coach or team in the sport uses games for conditioning purposes.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:49 pm to The Spleen
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I don't know what has caused it, but the past 3 seasons teams late in our schedule have figured out how to slow our offense down and we haven't been able to answer that.
Our schedules have been very backloaded with the best defenses (LSU, MSU, AU, UGA, playoff teams). However I think there may be something to even our coaches getting lulled into a false sense of security that we can just beat the shite out of everyone with talent and when adjustments have been needed when a team steps up and stops our main stuff, our coaches and players have not always been ready for it.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:52 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Considering we don't have any pull in this decision, I say, change the channel at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 5:58 pm to pvilleguru
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Put the back ups in but let them continue to use the same plays/game plan. Don't just put them in and run 3 plays up the middle and punt.
Pretty much this. I'm not a fan of running it up just to run it up, but run the same plays. If the 2s are still lighting it up then go to the 3s sooner.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 9:40 pm to coachcrisp
I respectfully disagree. Monday and Tuesday practices can have significant conditioning. Maybe even Wednesday, depending on the coach. Thursday and Friday are definitely recovery days. But the notion that teams aren't doing conditioning stuff at practice mid-season is just false.
In short, my point is that a player's ability to physically play 50 plays in a game at a high level does not depend of his recent game time, but rather his practice time.
If your theory was true, bench players could never come in and contribute because they'd pass out after a few plays.
In short, my point is that a player's ability to physically play 50 plays in a game at a high level does not depend of his recent game time, but rather his practice time.
If your theory was true, bench players could never come in and contribute because they'd pass out after a few plays.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 10:13 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 11:24 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I hope that we win every game by 1 point. That's all I want. 15-0
Posted on 7/25/19 at 9:28 am to prevatt33
quote:With most programs, Monday is "recovery" day (bumps, bruises and strains), Tuesday for light conditioning, and the rest of the week for game planning with a Friday walk through, but let's agree to disagree.
I respectfully disagree. Monday and Tuesday practices can have significant conditioning. Maybe even Wednesday, depending on the coach. Thursday and Friday are definitely recovery days. But the notion that teams aren't doing conditioning stuff at practice mid-season is just false.
PS-Example: Remember the '17 natty game when Alabama defense gave out in the 4th quarter?
Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:22 am to coachcrisp
Let starters and backups play. Cut them loose. It’s the other teams job to stop them. If it’s 74-0 so be it.
The bigger concern is elite defenses figuring out how to stop our offense late in the season and post season. Maybe save a couple of formations and a handful of plays for those big games? If we just run the same 12 plays we ran all year, the elite teams will figure ways to stop us once they have 10 games on film. We have to find ways to be less predictable against the good teams late in the year. Same on defense. Come up with a few exotic blitzes and formations against UGA and Clemson that they haven’t seen all year. They all do stuff like that to us, but we don’t seem to do it to them which leaves us trying to dig out of holes in the second half.
The bigger concern is elite defenses figuring out how to stop our offense late in the season and post season. Maybe save a couple of formations and a handful of plays for those big games? If we just run the same 12 plays we ran all year, the elite teams will figure ways to stop us once they have 10 games on film. We have to find ways to be less predictable against the good teams late in the year. Same on defense. Come up with a few exotic blitzes and formations against UGA and Clemson that they haven’t seen all year. They all do stuff like that to us, but we don’t seem to do it to them which leaves us trying to dig out of holes in the second half.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:24 am
Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:33 am to prevatt33
No frocking way they have the advantage no one in Arkansas owns a pair of shoes they’re used to it.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 12:55 pm to Cobrasize
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hope that we win every game by 1 point
Don't wish that evil on us cobra. No way do I survive a year like that. Plus, half this board would catch a ban.
Posted on 7/25/19 at 3:25 pm to coachcrisp
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Remember the '17 natty game when Alabama defense gave out in the 4th quarter?
I don't believe that has anything to do with your point. In that game, the entire defense saw way more plays (99 plays) than normal, thereby taking many defensive players to/past their point of exhaustion, even in the context of both practice conditioning as well as facing 70 or so plays on average in a game throughout the year.
However, your earlier point was based on your concern that a player couldn't give you 50 plays (which is not a heavy load, but does depend on the position) because he had been used to giving you 20 plays, which is nonsense (no offense). As a matter of fact, that player would likely be MORE ready to give you those 50 plays as compared to another player who had been worn out by repeated games with a high number of plays. Concordantly, this idea has nothing to do with raising the total point of exhaustion, which is what your Natty example was.
In short, I respect your opinions, Coach, as you usually bring good knowledge, but I have to vehemently disagree with you here. I believe it to be a completely and utterly false notion that a player who had seen 20 plays for a few or several games in a row would be less capable to give you 50 plays as compared to other players. As a matter of fact, I believe that this hypothetical player would be fresher, assuming he started the year at peak conditioning by going through the 4th quarter program as well as fall camp.
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With most programs, Monday is "recovery" day (bumps, bruises and strains), Tuesday for light conditioning, and the rest of the week for game planning with a Friday walk through, but let's agree to disagree.
Most teams at the top of the CFB pecking order - teams like Bama, GA, Clemson, Michigan, Ohio State, Florida, LSU, Oregon, etc. - have live, full-pad practices mid-season. These teams still go good-on-good at times, and go hard, and this serves a bigger conditioning purpose than you think. My point about conditioning wasn't relegated to sprints, stadiums, and the like. It was about the players bodies being pushed at practice mid-season, which we definitely, definitely do.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 3:28 pm
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