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So, how does Saban fix the discipline issue?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:02 am
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:02 am
I kept hearing Saturday night sportscasters say it was so "not like" a Saban team to be undisciplined, but we all know it's been getting worse over the years.
False starts, too many men on the field, etc.
These are fundamentals of football. No talent is needed for this.
Saban has always preached, at least to the media, that he emphasizes focusing on the next play. So, one should always be alert to especially the simple things.
We're not even ready to play big games. Jitters,etc led to a lot of bad play in the moments most needed.
IMO, the core of the problem has been so many coaching changes, player changes, etc that there has been no stability in these players football careers.
Does Saban even address this publicly? Not that he has to.
False starts, too many men on the field, etc.
These are fundamentals of football. No talent is needed for this.
Saban has always preached, at least to the media, that he emphasizes focusing on the next play. So, one should always be alert to especially the simple things.
We're not even ready to play big games. Jitters,etc led to a lot of bad play in the moments most needed.
IMO, the core of the problem has been so many coaching changes, player changes, etc that there has been no stability in these players football careers.
Does Saban even address this publicly? Not that he has to.
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Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:14 am to East Coast Band
Well they keep saying that Tua changed Saban.
frick that, give me the jackass Saban any day of the week.
frick that, give me the jackass Saban any day of the week.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:25 am to East Coast Band
I don't think it's something the coaches can fix on their own. They need to recruit guys who have that alpha dog mentality. We haven't had one of those in a while now on defense. Our defensive players don't play angry anymore. Not enough of our offensive players play angry anymore, but at least a few of them do. In the immortal words of Ray "I Didn't See shite" Lewis, we need some guys who are pissed off for greatness. Discipline comes from within. Discipline is 100% mental. If you want it, you can get it. If you don't want it, no one is going to be able to give it to you.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:33 am to East Coast Band
I think Saban's age has caught up with him. I remember when my granny used to scare the shite out of us--we walked on eggshells around her because if you spilled a drink, etc she would go nuclear. Nowadays if the same thing happens she will clean it up whenever she can with a smile on her face. 
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:33 am to Robot Santa
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Discipline comes from within. Discipline is 100% mental. If you want it, you can get it. If you don't want it, no one is going to be able to give it to you.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:37 am to 14&Counting
Discipline can be taught. Its taught to all of us either at an early age or in the military or during sports, etc. If Saban or other coaches crawled their asses like he use to do don't you think they would straighten up?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:46 am to BFANLC
IMO, I think the transfer portal ruined discipline. If a player gets his arse chewed out, he'll just go transfer because he figures he has the entitlement of being a 5 star and someone will want him and let him do want he wants.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:51 am to BFANLC
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Discipline can be taught. Its taught to all of us either at an early age or in the military or during sports, etc. If Saban or other coaches crawled their asses like he use to do don't you think they would straighten up?
I wonder how much the new NCAA transfer rules have affected Saban's mindset toward how he treats players or handles them?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:51 am to bamabaum
When you recruit players with known character issues what should you expect?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:52 am to bamabaum
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IMO, I think the transfer portal ruined discipline. If a player gets his arse chewed out, he'll just go transfer because he figures he has the entitlement of being a 5 star and someone will want him and let him do want he wants.
All this, I made my last post before I got to this one. Very true.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:53 am to BFANLC
Saban has so much as admitted being less irate. Go back to the Barbershop talk with Julio Jones, last year. I think it was the first one. Julio was making reference to how difficult the 4th qrtr program was when he went through as opposed to now. Saban said it kind of tongue and cheek, that he has gotten softer in his old age. He said that he was setting a new standard when he got there, and guys like Julio,Ingram,etc.... felt the wrath of that.
During the off week before the LSU game, Saban was on game day in his back yard being interviewed by the GD crew. Rece made a remark about Saban's pool. Saban said the first 10 years he lived there, he never got in the pool,not one time. Now that he has a grand daughter, he gets in it several times a year.
Stats kind of prove out after a certain point (age) that you are not able to compete at the same level as you did when you were younger. Look at all the greats that had long careers. Bryant, Bowden, Paterno, Spurrier. That age is different for all of them, but for the most part, the last few years those guys coached, they were not in the hunt for a national title.
I would think that Saban has some years left in the tank, but it will take some changing, similar to what he did when he hired Kiffen to help change to the RPO.
During the off week before the LSU game, Saban was on game day in his back yard being interviewed by the GD crew. Rece made a remark about Saban's pool. Saban said the first 10 years he lived there, he never got in the pool,not one time. Now that he has a grand daughter, he gets in it several times a year.
Stats kind of prove out after a certain point (age) that you are not able to compete at the same level as you did when you were younger. Look at all the greats that had long careers. Bryant, Bowden, Paterno, Spurrier. That age is different for all of them, but for the most part, the last few years those guys coached, they were not in the hunt for a national title.
I would think that Saban has some years left in the tank, but it will take some changing, similar to what he did when he hired Kiffen to help change to the RPO.
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:54 am to bamabaum
There are multiple ways to instill discipline.
arse chewings - when you make a mistake your butt is chewed by at least Saban and/or your position coach.
Punishment- either team wide or just the player. Running steps, sprints etc. Nothing like sprints to get the team to straighten your butt up.
Playing time- reducing a player's playing time is strong motivation.
Mistakes happen, I'm not talking about mistakes. I'm talking about being a jr/sr and instead of showing the younger guys how it's done you go and get an offsetting foul.
You arent born with discipline, its instilled in you. These guys have been getting yelled at since rec league. Their feelings shouldn't be hurt because they are being yelled at.
arse chewings - when you make a mistake your butt is chewed by at least Saban and/or your position coach.
Punishment- either team wide or just the player. Running steps, sprints etc. Nothing like sprints to get the team to straighten your butt up.
Playing time- reducing a player's playing time is strong motivation.
Mistakes happen, I'm not talking about mistakes. I'm talking about being a jr/sr and instead of showing the younger guys how it's done you go and get an offsetting foul.
You arent born with discipline, its instilled in you. These guys have been getting yelled at since rec league. Their feelings shouldn't be hurt because they are being yelled at.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:56 am to Bolivar Shagnasty
That's fine...we all lose something as we get older. That's why you hire the coaches to get it done for you. You set that standard and they enforce it. The standard never changes.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:58 am to bamabaum
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IMO, I think the transfer portal ruined discipline. If a player gets his arse chewed out, he'll just go transfer because he figures he has the entitlement of being a 5 star and someone will want him and let him do want he wants.
The transfer portal is literally nothing more than a glorified social media app for NCAA sanctioned communications between coaches from one team and players from another who are still on scholarship but interested in transferring. It doesn't make it easier to transfer. If you want to blame any changes to how transfers are handled for a decline in team discipline blame the new waiver policy which amounts to "if you weren't starting and it hurt your feelings or you threaten to sue us we will let you play next year." There used to be a cost/benefit to transferring that simply isn't there anymore.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 9:59 am to BFANLC
Some of it has to come from the players as well. Like others have said, we need some alphas to get on to other players when they’re screwing up. Haven’t seen that this year
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:10 am to East Coast Band
The injuries and coaching turnover had a major impact with the discipline/penalty issue. We didn't have our Oline set until the 5th game of the year as opposed to set weeks before the season started. An Olineman that is new to playing center has an impact.
Training coaches and the difference in how those coaches communicate affects how the players react. The confusion on defense is easy to trace to a new DC and freshmen LBs. The substitution issues are on coaches. They should have the likely subs ready to go all the time.
Just too many changes happening a once. Even Saban couldn't get everyone on the same page. His forte has always been out recruiting everyone. The NCAA put limitation on that and now that $$ is flowing at LSU and GA...it will be very hard to recruit at the same level if Bama/Saban isn't playing the same game. And how do you discipline players getting paid if they have something to hold over your head?
Training coaches and the difference in how those coaches communicate affects how the players react. The confusion on defense is easy to trace to a new DC and freshmen LBs. The substitution issues are on coaches. They should have the likely subs ready to go all the time.
Just too many changes happening a once. Even Saban couldn't get everyone on the same page. His forte has always been out recruiting everyone. The NCAA put limitation on that and now that $$ is flowing at LSU and GA...it will be very hard to recruit at the same level if Bama/Saban isn't playing the same game. And how do you discipline players getting paid if they have something to hold over your head?
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:11 am to bamabaum
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IMO, I think the transfer portal ruined discipline. If a player gets his arse chewed out, he'll just go transfer because he figures he has the entitlement of being a 5 star and someone will want him and let him do want he wants.
I think this could be true. Hard to know for sure without getting in the minds of guys who transfer, but I could see it.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:14 am to East Coast Band
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So, how does Saban fix the discipline issue?
Moar arse chewings !!!
This post was edited on 12/2/19 at 10:54 am
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:38 am to TidalSurge1
I'm surprised as process oriented as Nick is that he hasn't taken a long hard look at these "modern" offenses. How much tactical advantage do you get from taking time to call out the Mike, shifting formations, looking at the sidelines and sending a man in motion as the play clock winds down versus the dtlay of game, false start, illegal shift and illegal formation penalties. Get up to the line of scrimmage and snap the ball while the defense is standing straight up and rubbernecking to their sidelines.
Posted on 12/2/19 at 10:50 am to East Coast Band
Build depth if possible, play guys earlier in blowouts and start benching somebody for inexcusable mistakes.
Also, some of it is just on the players. At my job I’ve had to train people, many much younger than me. I told my boss, I can show a guy how to do certain tasks properly but I can’t “teach” someone to pay attention to details. If he doesn’t have the desire to do his job well/better my hands are tied.
Also, some of it is just on the players. At my job I’ve had to train people, many much younger than me. I told my boss, I can show a guy how to do certain tasks properly but I can’t “teach” someone to pay attention to details. If he doesn’t have the desire to do his job well/better my hands are tied.
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