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Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:40 pm
Pro Scout:
"You had a lot of drops- a lot of balls that were catchable, but not perfect. Why not ? Well, The timing was off. The Timing was disrupted the entire game. The Ball had to come out too soon or too late because of all the pressure"
"Look, I hate to call out a young man, but Alabama is not getting SEC level protection from the Right tackle. He is not physically capable of blocking an elite pass rush- not at right tackle. He could be a good player at another position, but not right tackle.
Can it be fixed ?
"It can only be fixed by facing a team with less talented pass rushers. If Bama plays... uh, let's say Georgia there is no way he'll be able to block their pass rushers, no way. Maybe they can move the pocket and roll the Qb, but the RT can not block a good pass rush"
"Look you're trying to put your best five out there, but sometimes you move someone to a position that they are out of place, and now you're worse off at two positions." (Hinting at this one player out of place at RT (owens) is hurting the ol in several ways/positions)
"I'm more concerned about the offense because I've seen the defense make adjustments, but not the offense. ( I think he meant some of the personnel decisions have to be changed or it's going to be hard for Bama to beat a good team )
Can a player playing poorly be a team leader ?
"No... if you're not producing on the field anything you say in that locker room is hollow."
Nothing we all haven't seen with our own eyes, but there's the opinion of a guy that gets paid to scout college and pro football.
"You had a lot of drops- a lot of balls that were catchable, but not perfect. Why not ? Well, The timing was off. The Timing was disrupted the entire game. The Ball had to come out too soon or too late because of all the pressure"
"Look, I hate to call out a young man, but Alabama is not getting SEC level protection from the Right tackle. He is not physically capable of blocking an elite pass rush- not at right tackle. He could be a good player at another position, but not right tackle.
Can it be fixed ?
"It can only be fixed by facing a team with less talented pass rushers. If Bama plays... uh, let's say Georgia there is no way he'll be able to block their pass rushers, no way. Maybe they can move the pocket and roll the Qb, but the RT can not block a good pass rush"
"Look you're trying to put your best five out there, but sometimes you move someone to a position that they are out of place, and now you're worse off at two positions." (Hinting at this one player out of place at RT (owens) is hurting the ol in several ways/positions)
"I'm more concerned about the offense because I've seen the defense make adjustments, but not the offense. ( I think he meant some of the personnel decisions have to be changed or it's going to be hard for Bama to beat a good team )
Can a player playing poorly be a team leader ?
"No... if you're not producing on the field anything you say in that locker room is hollow."
Nothing we all haven't seen with our own eyes, but there's the opinion of a guy that gets paid to scout college and pro football.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:45 pm to PowHound
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I'm more concerned about the offense
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:52 pm to PowHound
I don’t even want Owens back at center. We need to throw a Freshman out there and let him learn or just anyone.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 3:52 pm to Master of Sinanju
I agree about his comments about Owens. He wasn’t bad at center at all last year. But he cannot handle the speed at RT. He’s playing way out of position given what we saw from his the end of last year and so far this year. You sometimes see OTs in the NFL get moved to the interior because they can’t handle the edge.
But I don’t agree with this:
I'm more concerned about the offense
As bad as Owens and that OL played, they still racked up 500+ yards of offense against a decent defense. They didn’t rack up as many points partially because the red zone play calling.
Meanwhile the defense went up against what is statistically a bottom 3 SEC offense. They managed to get not even a QB hurry against the worst graded pass protection OL in the SEC even though they blitzed a lot. That’s baffling. Now it’s possible A&M’s offense turned the corner with this game, but they didn’t go from bottom tier P5 offense to top tier P5 offense in a week. They did play much better but Bama’s defense also underperformed severely.
But I don’t agree with this:
I'm more concerned about the offense
As bad as Owens and that OL played, they still racked up 500+ yards of offense against a decent defense. They didn’t rack up as many points partially because the red zone play calling.
Meanwhile the defense went up against what is statistically a bottom 3 SEC offense. They managed to get not even a QB hurry against the worst graded pass protection OL in the SEC even though they blitzed a lot. That’s baffling. Now it’s possible A&M’s offense turned the corner with this game, but they didn’t go from bottom tier P5 offense to top tier P5 offense in a week. They did play much better but Bama’s defense also underperformed severely.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 4:01 pm to Cobrasize
I have always wondered about Cohen, coming in supposedly had great feet, he has the size, why not him?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 4:01 pm to PowHound
I'm actually super concerned about the offense to be honest. We lack a consistent intermediate throw and have absolutely no deep ball. If we run into a good running front then it's basically 2017 Auburn all over again.
The defense can play bipolar and has shown the ability to perform, but if we can't pass the ball we are screwed
The defense can play bipolar and has shown the ability to perform, but if we can't pass the ball we are screwed
Posted on 10/14/21 at 4:11 pm to 1BamaRTR
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I'm more concerned about the offense
He is more concerned about the offense because he knows that Bama is not going to win a title with the defense. If Bama is going anywhere near a SEC title or national title it will be because the offense can outscore everyone - even Georgia. So I think that is why he was saying he was more concerned about getting the offense dialed in.
He said the lack of adjustments on the offense were the most concerning to him_- I think it was clear he was talking about the offensive coaches not finding a replacement RT or finding a way to get the OL Fixed because if that offense isn't scoring 45+ a game we aint winning shite this year.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 4:19 pm to phaz
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I have always wondered about Cohen, coming in supposedly had great feet, he has the size, why not him?
shite man, some people thought Ekiyor was one of the best center prospects in the country out of H.S., and he spent at least a year at Bama taking his reps at Center. He has good enough feet to pull from C, and he's a powerful anchor/space-eater.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 5:12 pm to PowHound
I would try moving Ekiyor to center, Dalcourt to guard. Bench Owens and have George or Latham at right tackle.
Has Saban ever benched a senior starter? Other then the 2nd half of the NCG against Georgia, I can't remember it happening.
Has Saban ever benched a senior starter? Other then the 2nd half of the NCG against Georgia, I can't remember it happening.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 5:30 pm to remaster916
You mean Cam Sims/Robert Foster or are you referring to Jalen
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:36 pm to PowHound
That pro scout must have missed how bad Darrian Dalcourt was that night.
The guy was killing us continually sliding to double team with the RG leaving the RB to block the two going right through his hole.
That's a technique issue!
He kept turning his shoulders instead of kicking back and keeping his shoulders flat so we could take on someone blitzing or stunting.
Dalcourt cost us just as much as Owens and Owen's has been mortifying bad.
In the end we need our Center to wake the hell up and we need one of those 5star freshmen tackles playing and learning at RT. No excuses. Enough of the loyalty to seniority
The guy was killing us continually sliding to double team with the RG leaving the RB to block the two going right through his hole.
That's a technique issue!
He kept turning his shoulders instead of kicking back and keeping his shoulders flat so we could take on someone blitzing or stunting.
Dalcourt cost us just as much as Owens and Owen's has been mortifying bad.
In the end we need our Center to wake the hell up and we need one of those 5star freshmen tackles playing and learning at RT. No excuses. Enough of the loyalty to seniority
Posted on 10/14/21 at 6:46 pm to YStar
Best five?
LT - Neal
LG - Cohen
C - Ekiyor (or Owens)
RG - Brown
RT - Latham (or George)
LT - Neal
LG - Cohen
C - Ekiyor (or Owens)
RG - Brown
RT - Latham (or George)
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:09 pm to YStar
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we need one of those 5star freshmen tackles playing
This. Don't we have 3-4 five star OL recruits standing on the sidelines? If we can't get ONE of those guys to play better than what we're getting, then it's either an OL coaching issue or an OL recruiting issue.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:13 pm to TidalSurge1
The defensive pass rush was SO bad Saturday night and the blitz packages were even more ineffective than usual, that I've wondered if A&M had our defensive signals. There's no doubt we played like shite and that's not an excuse, but the disparity between their norm and that night was so extreme it made me think about things like stealing signals. They were playing almost too perfect. Maybe they didn't need our signals as another poster pointed out that not only was Owens not blocking his man, he was tipping our plays with his foot/leg alignment.
This post was edited on 10/14/21 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:17 pm to YStar
I was literally typing that. Dalcourt was bad, Owens was bad.
Obviously we aren’t there everyday so we don’t know who is better but Owens will for sure get us killed. Dalcourt will improve I think.
Obviously we aren’t there everyday so we don’t know who is better but Owens will for sure get us killed. Dalcourt will improve I think.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:20 pm to phil4bama
A&M ran good stunts/blitzes. Ours sucked. Their DL is good and their kids were focused and hustling. Some of ours not so much. A&M didn't need to steal our signals.
This post was edited on 10/16/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:24 pm to TidalSurge1
Yeah our blitz package was lame. When AM blitzed it was a fricking jail break. Every time.
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:27 pm to YStar
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That pro scout must have missed how bad Darrian Dalcourt was that night
When the defense plays that bad and he says his main concern is the offense relative to changing some personnel I think he's clearly pointing to more than just owens. In fact in the OP it directly states, "when you move one player out of position now you're worse off at two positions"
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:30 pm to phil4bama
This was said after the Ole Miss game last year as well. I’m not so sure I buy it; I think we’re just bad at defense.
Both scenarios are completely unacceptable at this point. Either we really frickin suck arse at defense; or we suck slightly less, and our defensive coordinator is an absolute moron who allows his signals to be stolen multiple times in the less than a year.
Take your pick.
FPG
Both scenarios are completely unacceptable at this point. Either we really frickin suck arse at defense; or we suck slightly less, and our defensive coordinator is an absolute moron who allows his signals to be stolen multiple times in the less than a year.
Take your pick.
FPG
Posted on 10/14/21 at 7:31 pm to PowHound
Yep. Saying it without saying it. We can scheme for a bad offensive line. We can’t scheme our defensive better, or maybe we can.
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