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re: Offseason Topic : Thoughts on philosophical changes to the offense from 2018 to 2019?
Posted on 6/5/19 at 5:49 pm to remaster916
Posted on 6/5/19 at 5:49 pm to remaster916
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Bama just had the wrong RB running the ball in short yardage situations. D Harris was not a short yardage back. Josh Jacobs would convert just about every time. Did it several times in the wildcat package.
I don’t disagree that Jacobs should’ve been in those situations, but the line should be good enough that it shouldn’t be a problem regardless. Harris never danced around, so him not getting there shows the hole wasn’t made where it was supposed to be.
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Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:36 pm to RollTide1987
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That 2015 offense was so underrated. We had a 3,000-yard QB, a 1,000-yard receiver, and a running back who ran for over 2,000 yards.
Coker was probably the most underrated QB we've had. One of my favorites who doesn't get enough credit.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 6:45 pm to RollTide1987
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That 2015 offense was so underrated. We had a 3,000-yard QB, a 1,000-yard receiver, and a running back who ran for over 2,000 yards.
My favorite offensive team in the Saban era. Just loved watching them feed Henry and teams couldn't do shite about it.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 8:40 pm to IB4bama
saban and players have said that offense wont change much, but playcalling will be little different. I expect RPO to be the base, but we will see lot of single back offense
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:27 pm to BamaGradinTn
Coker from the Tennessee game on was as good as any QB we've had, and that includes Tua. The numbers be put up were staggering.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 9:28 pm to MykTide
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My favorite offensive team in the Saban era. Just loved watching them feed Henry and teams couldn't do shite about it.
Definitley my favorite of the 2nd half of the Saban era.
Posted on 6/5/19 at 10:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Just using your post as a jumping off point, George. Not replying specifically to you...
I think you're forgetting just how much that Oline in 2011-12 enforced its will on teams. When I think of my "favorite 2nd halfs of the Saban era," I think about watching teams' defensive fronts just quit. Just wilt like a daisy in the sun. Sure, I'm sharp enough to admit that we've had some dynamite skill players over the years, but Bama as been best when our offensive lines manhandled dudes with a blatant disrespect for those players and their families. It was brutal and beautiful.
Regarding any offensive style shifts, we all know and have discussed getting back to some more of the "full read" type passing stuff (without forgoing the RPO, of course). We've heard talk of going back to a more dominant downhill running style, which I'd love - not only because of the running benefits, but the play-action off of that type of running game is nasty, particularly with the talent we have in the passing game - both at WR and at TE.
I also want to know what Love brings to the table at Oline from an Xs and Os perspective. I honestly have to say that I don't even know if we've been using zone blocking or man blocking the last few years, or really what our philosophy has been. If anyone can chime in on our recent Xs and Os on the line, I'd love to hear it. Anywho, we'll see. I read recently that Sark has been dictating a lot of the Oline scheme stuff, and so I'd hazard a guess a that we'll be doing whatever Atlanta was doing last year, assuming it's not a complete 180 from what we had been doing.
On that same note, how much did Sark have Atlanta going from under center? I'd love to know. Same question about play-action to anyone learned on the subject.
Speaking of TE earlier, I'd like to see us work the TE more in the short/intermediate passing game. I have to think Forristal and Tennison are matchup nightmares in the flat/curl/drag/seam game, and James may be that fast-twitch SE we're looking for.
Really, I bring up TE, not to highlight it per se, but to speak about the fact that any coaching staff worth a damn is going to cater the offense to the talent. And to my eye, we don't have a big-body blocking TE on the roster, and I don't know who's going to replace Hentges in the H role - dude did a lot for Bama on O. I don't know if Latu can get there by Fall. And if we don't have those pieces, then we'll need to scheme around it.
I'm actually suspicious of us getting back to some 2 back sets, notably 2 back with 3 wide (with 3 WRs) as well as 2 back 3 wide (with 2 WRs and a TE). In the absence of a true H, we'd still take advantage of the extra guy in the box so long as we have a RB who can both block members of the opposing front 7 as well as run routes. On that note, I'm suspicious that Robinson at RB will morph into a swiss-army knife of sorts, a la Kenyan Drake. Part RB/Part Slot/Part H - all badass. Funny - now that I say it out loud, this position sounds made for Towndsend. We may very well bulk Towndsend up a tad for this swiss-army knife role, use Harris and Robinson as a 1-2 combo, and bring along Ford to be ready for that downhill stretch in November should anyone get banged up (and they will).
No matter what we do, I'd giddy at the prospects. I actually like Sark and think he'll do a helluva job. We ought to have a very good Oline, a crazy skill corp, and the first pick in the NFL draft at QB. We ought to score 50 every game with Commander Data at OC.
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Definitley my favorite of the 2nd half of the Saban era.
I think you're forgetting just how much that Oline in 2011-12 enforced its will on teams. When I think of my "favorite 2nd halfs of the Saban era," I think about watching teams' defensive fronts just quit. Just wilt like a daisy in the sun. Sure, I'm sharp enough to admit that we've had some dynamite skill players over the years, but Bama as been best when our offensive lines manhandled dudes with a blatant disrespect for those players and their families. It was brutal and beautiful.
Regarding any offensive style shifts, we all know and have discussed getting back to some more of the "full read" type passing stuff (without forgoing the RPO, of course). We've heard talk of going back to a more dominant downhill running style, which I'd love - not only because of the running benefits, but the play-action off of that type of running game is nasty, particularly with the talent we have in the passing game - both at WR and at TE.
I also want to know what Love brings to the table at Oline from an Xs and Os perspective. I honestly have to say that I don't even know if we've been using zone blocking or man blocking the last few years, or really what our philosophy has been. If anyone can chime in on our recent Xs and Os on the line, I'd love to hear it. Anywho, we'll see. I read recently that Sark has been dictating a lot of the Oline scheme stuff, and so I'd hazard a guess a that we'll be doing whatever Atlanta was doing last year, assuming it's not a complete 180 from what we had been doing.
On that same note, how much did Sark have Atlanta going from under center? I'd love to know. Same question about play-action to anyone learned on the subject.
Speaking of TE earlier, I'd like to see us work the TE more in the short/intermediate passing game. I have to think Forristal and Tennison are matchup nightmares in the flat/curl/drag/seam game, and James may be that fast-twitch SE we're looking for.
Really, I bring up TE, not to highlight it per se, but to speak about the fact that any coaching staff worth a damn is going to cater the offense to the talent. And to my eye, we don't have a big-body blocking TE on the roster, and I don't know who's going to replace Hentges in the H role - dude did a lot for Bama on O. I don't know if Latu can get there by Fall. And if we don't have those pieces, then we'll need to scheme around it.
I'm actually suspicious of us getting back to some 2 back sets, notably 2 back with 3 wide (with 3 WRs) as well as 2 back 3 wide (with 2 WRs and a TE). In the absence of a true H, we'd still take advantage of the extra guy in the box so long as we have a RB who can both block members of the opposing front 7 as well as run routes. On that note, I'm suspicious that Robinson at RB will morph into a swiss-army knife of sorts, a la Kenyan Drake. Part RB/Part Slot/Part H - all badass. Funny - now that I say it out loud, this position sounds made for Towndsend. We may very well bulk Towndsend up a tad for this swiss-army knife role, use Harris and Robinson as a 1-2 combo, and bring along Ford to be ready for that downhill stretch in November should anyone get banged up (and they will).
No matter what we do, I'd giddy at the prospects. I actually like Sark and think he'll do a helluva job. We ought to have a very good Oline, a crazy skill corp, and the first pick in the NFL draft at QB. We ought to score 50 every game with Commander Data at OC.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 2:29 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:47 am to prevatt33
From my perspective , we have been running more zone blocking schemes the last few years. You don’t see the powers or inside traps and such as we did when we had Warmack and company . We ran it a few times but it used to be a staple of the offense. Lately we have ran inside and outside zone or stretch plays letting the back read the blocks and make his cuts. I hope we go back to man blocking schemes a little more also bc we have the personnel to do so IMO
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:27 am to prevatt33
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I think you're forgetting just how much that Oline in 2011-12 enforced its will on teams. When I think of my "favorite 2nd halfs of the Saban era," I think about watching teams' defensive fronts just quit. Just wilt like a daisy in the sun. Sure, I'm sharp enough to admit that we've had some dynamite skill players over the years, but Bama as been best when our offensive lines manhandled dudes with a blatant disrespect for those players and their families. It was brutal and beautiful.
Oh yea, those teams were great too. 2015 was my favorite for reasons far beyond the brutality of the running attack. They kind of were at rock bottom post Ole Miss and just willed themselves back and kind of brought us back to being dominant, elite Alabama again.
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not only because of the running benefits, but the play-action off of that type of running game is nasty, particularly with the talent we have in the passing game - both at WR and at TE.
YES. Yes yes yes. This exactly. And this feeds into kind of what I was poorly trying to explain regarding underutilizing our vast stable of wide receivers. The options available off of play-action are all across the field, and instead of 1 or 2 one-on-ones that can be manipulated coverage wise, we're gonna end up with 2-3 guys in specific routes that will be forced to be in dead zones or 1-on-1 vs DBs.
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On that same note, how much did Sark have Atlanta going from under center? I'd love to know. Same question about play-action to anyone learned on the subject.
Under center - not nearly as much as in previous stops. That happened for 2 reasons - Ryan has become very comfortable out of the gun and the offensive line situation was a complete and utter disaster. And, unlike 2017, the red zone work was solid and about half of the small amount of times we did jank up the red zone was due to idiotic throws or fumbles (which were not Sark's fault at all).
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No matter what we do, I'd giddy at the prospects. I actually like Sark and think he'll do a helluva job. We ought to have a very good Oline, a crazy skill corp, and the first pick in the NFL draft at QB. We ought to score 50 every game with Commander Data at OC.
I'm with you. Sark was excellent in Atlanta last year and anybody who argues otherwise didn't actually watch the football games. He had a 3rd down only back as his feature back and one of the worst all around offensive lines in the league and he did some excellent work scheme wise (his first year was a disaster, but I give him a pass for that with walking into a hyper charged environment).
Your general breakout of changes to the system is exactly the stuff I've hoped we see this year.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 8:32 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 8:28 am to prevatt33
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just how much that Oline in 2011-12 enforced its will on teams
That 2012 OL has a good argument for being the best in college football history. Kouandjio, Warmack, Jones, Steen, and Fluker were the ultimate road graders. We had 4 All-Americans on that line; the only that wasn't , Steen, was a 2nd team all-SEC and end up as a starter in the NFL. Jones is arguably the most decorated collegiate lineman in history; Outland Trophy, Rimington Trophy, Wuerffel Trophy, Jacobs Blocking Trophy, Jim Parker Trophy, and William V. Campbell Trophy...
The 2015 Offense is my favorite Bama O, followed closely by 2012...but the 2012 OL was not just the best line ever at Bama, it was the best ever period...
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 8:29 am
Posted on 6/6/19 at 12:06 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Coker was probably the most underrated QB we've had. One of my favorites who doesn't get enough credit.
Probably because half the games in 2015 he was mediocre.
But he came up huge in big games, even when he wasn't playing particularly well previously in those games.
He was tough as shite too, and wasn't scared to put his shoulder down. He took "FINISH" to heart, and it showed, and it helped us win a NC. Definitely one of my favorite players of the Saban era.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
If Sarkisian stays true to form, you won't see much running, the backs won't rotate, and the play calling will deteriorate as he gets more sloshed with each set of downs.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 10:07 pm to CrimsonCrusade
Posted on 6/7/19 at 8:14 am to CrimsonCrusade
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the play calling will deteriorate as he gets more sloshed with each set of downs.
Since you know it isn't true and would never happen, why do you even say that?
That's like something a rival fan would say.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 9:43 am to John Milner
Smash mowf. Next question.
RPO makes us soft.
RPO makes us soft.
Posted on 6/7/19 at 9:52 am to RiverCityTider
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Smash mowf. Next question.
RPO makes us soft.
Not sure if you're being facetious but I think the lack of emphasis on a run game that can pound when they want to does make a team soft but the rules these days favor more wide open offenses. There are only so many snaps in a set number of practices a team is allowed, so it's not like you can prepare as much as you want to on with various offenses and defenses. So if you prepare most with a strictly pro set offense, and the team you are playing is having a good day, scoring lots of points, you are a disadvantage. I am pretty sure Saban would like to go back to a balanced offense that can pound the ball, and he tried to get some of the rules passed that damn nearly preclude using that type offense, so he changes according to the prevailing rules. What can you do.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
Would have beaten Clemson if we ran the ball and ran the ball and ran the ball. See how I’m going with this?
Posted on 6/14/19 at 12:40 pm to biggsc
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Would have beaten Clemson if we ran the ball and ran the ball and ran the ball. See how I’m going with this?
I am not willing to say that. Give me Pruitt back coordinating the defense instead of the shite show we had last year and maybe but we got schooled by their coaches much more than by their players.
Posted on 6/14/19 at 8:08 pm to biggsc
That would apply to 2016. This game we were not running the ball too well. We ran 37 times and averaged just 4 ypc. Our OL, just like most of the season against good defenses, was not getting much push in the run game like we usually have in years past.
There's also the defense getting owned issue.
There's also the defense getting owned issue.
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