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wm72
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re: Official Basketball Coaching Search Thread
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Yep. Sampson, Forbes, and Matta are my realistic top 3



Forbes seems to be the best mid-major bet (always a gamble though)

Matta, if healthy, could potentially be what Barnes has been for Tennessee.

Sampson I don't see much chance of happening due to his past.


The rest of the list just makes me depressed. There are a couple of good ones but I don't the Bama can get like Williams or the Cincinnati coach.

Aside from those -- unless planning on really rolling the dice with mid-major guys with limited HC experience -- there hardly seems to be that much of an upgrade on Avery. I'd rather keep Avery and save money to spend on hopefully a better choice next year than hire Dawkins, Prohm or Mike Anderson.


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Forbes seems to be the best mid-major bet (always a gamble though)


A lot of basketball people believe Forbes is an incredible coach.

I remember when AU hired Pearl, there was real concern about Pearl sans Forbes being able to recreate his TN success


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GenesChin
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Should just shoot your shot and try to grab Bob Richey from Furman.


If you are going to gamble on a non Forbes midmajor, grabbing an energetic 35yo with two of the best Furman seasons in the past 40 years is not a bad idea


phil4bama
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If we’re going to go the mid-major route, I’ve been a Forbes fan all season. However, I’ve been watching John Brannen at Northern Kentucky and I feel like he may be an equally good choice. Flip a coin, I’m good with either.


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Should just shoot your shot and try to grab Bob Richey from Furman.


If you are going to gamble on a non Forbes midmajor, grabbing an energetic 35yo with two of the best Furman seasons in the past 40 years is not a bad idea






Yea - but I also have 2nd thoughts about guys who inherited mid-majors that were on the rise or already playing well from a coach who left. Furman's last year with Medved they went 23-10 (14-4) and were #106 in KenPom. Richey has taken over and done a great job, but he inherited a good situation. Medved is the one who built that thing from up from the ash (caveat being Richey was an assistant with him from the start).

That's one of the main reasons I'm all in on the Forbes train. He's been great everywhere and wins everywhere (including places that were bad when he got there), can adapt his system, knows how to sign kids who work with it, has grade A level reviews from across the industry and is an enthusiastic and energetic guy.
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SummerOfGeorge
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However, I’ve been watching John Brannen at Northern Kentucky and I feel like he may be an equally good choice. Flip a coin, I’m good with either.


Brannen has done a great job - he took over what was basically still a D2 program playing in D1 and by year 2 had them winning 20+ games and ranking in the Top 140 in KP.


phil4bama
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Any of y’all that tweet @Greg Byrne as I occasionally do, let’s stroke his ego a little to try to get him moving. I’m ending any tweets to him with #BuiltbyByrne.

Couldn’t hurt.


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Robot Santa
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If Brannen bring's Grant's defensive teaching skills along with an average offense I'd be happy to bring him back. He's familiar with the program and likely still has plenty of recruiting connections. I'd be really worried about hiring a guy who basically learned his trade from a guy we already had to fire for being mediocre though.


SummerOfGeorge
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Robot Santa


I still LOL everytime I read your signature

#FireFredi #HireMaddon


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train1523
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If Brannen bring's Grant's defensive teaching skills along with an average offense I'd be happy to bring him back. He's familiar with the program and likely still has plenty of recruiting connections. I'd be really worried about hiring a guy who basically learned his trade from a guy we already had to fire for being mediocre though.



I agree. I think he's a fantastic last resort option if some of the bigger names or Forbes turn us down/go elsewhere though.


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Would anyone be open to Steve Alford?


TiderNAL
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I have the sickening feeling UA will piddle fart around, be stuck with Avery 1 more season, Forbes and others on the wish list will get hired elsewhere this off-season, then they'll fire Avery next year after we win like 10 total games, and there will be slim pickings for basketball coaches.


SummerOfGeorge
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Would anyone be open to Steve Alford?



Frick no


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Teague
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re: Official Basketball Coaching Search Thread
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I have the sickening feeling UA will piddle fart around, be stuck with Avery 1 more season, Forbes and others on the wish list will get hired elsewhere this off-season, then they'll fire Avery next year after we win like 10 total games, and there will be slim pickings for basketball coaches.



I feel the same way, but I think we're both wrong. Yes, I'd definitely rather skip another year of Avery that does nothing except run the program further in the ground. However, there will be good replacements available every year. I have the same issue if I'm searching for something online that I need to buy. I tend to start looking before I'm really ready to buy, then I find a good deal and get my heart set on it. I always go ahead and buy it (Come on Byrne, be like me.) But, in reality, two weeks later there will be another sale somewhere. There will be new great hires next year. I don't want to wait. But, coaches will be out there.


phil4bama
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Regarding John Brannen, according to KenPom stats, his offensive efficiency is actually higher than his defensive efficiency. They were ranked 75th in the country in adjusted offensive efficiency and 143 in adjusted defensive efficiency.

NKU stepped up from Division II to D I in the 2012-13 season joining the Atlantic Sun conference. They were ineligible for the post season until completion of a transition period in 2016. In 2015 they joined the Horizon League, leaving the Atlantic Sun. In their first 3 seasons in D1, longtime successful coach Dave Bezold went 11-16, 9-21, and 13-17. He was let go after the 2014-15 season and John Brannen took over.

Brannen went 9-21 his first season at NKU and finished 8th in the Horizon.

In his second year he went 24-10, finished 3rd, won the league tourney and secured the automatic bid to the NCAAs as a 15 seed where they lost in round 1 to Kentucky 79-70. Last year, they went 22-10, won the Horizon League regular season but got upset by Cleveland State in the quarterfinals of the tourney and landed in the NIT where they lost to Louisville in round 1 66-58.

This year they are 26-8, finished tied with Wright State for the regular season title and beat them in the tourney finals yesterday to secure their 2nd ever NCAA bid, both under Brannen.

He’s winning the games he’s supposed to win and losing the ones he probably should lose like this season at Cincy and at UCF. We have no room to talk on UCF. He’s a solid coach. I think Forbes probably has a higher ceiling but Brannen would be a nice safety net if someone else takes Forbes which is going to happen if we don’t get off our ass.


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TiderNAL
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Teague I understand your point. I guess I'm irritated because this is a year in which there will likely be several more head coaching vacancies than usual, and all these guys like Forbes, Musselman, Matta (if healthy) will get hired. A lot of these vacancies are or will be at programs with better basketball tradition and support than Alabama. There will be guys available next year too, I guess it's more the guys I would like to see Alabama go after might get snatched up.


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Bham Bammer
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I think Johnson will go away for about $3 million. If he stubbornly stays through next season that’s all he would collect anyway after April 15. So why deal with all the headache and heartache until then ?

An extra $3 million, plus he obviously thinks he can turn it around. So in his mind at the very least he has $6 million more coming his way by trying to turn it around.


Gary Busey
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Maybe it's just intuition, but I can't see us losing to Ole Miss tomorrow night and Greg Byrne sit back and do nothing because of his buyout. I know Goff was a different situation, but how many of you think previous Alabama AD's would have given Goff another year? I don't think there's any doubt that Battle would have given Goff enough time to absolutely level the baseball program. Byrne didn't view him as a competent coach and wasn't "his guy". Byrne just gives me the impression that he's a more active and doesn't want to sit around and wait.


phil4bama
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re: Official Basketball Coaching Search Thread
Battle wanted nothing to do with any coaching search, especially after the first one or two he attempted went south on him. He would leave every coach we have in place even if they went winless.

I think Byrne is much more proactive but he doesn’t have free reign to hire and fire while ignoring the economics of the situation. The fact is, someone royally screwed up with both of the previous basketball hires with extensions and buyouts and it has put us in a bad spot. Honestly I think Byrne is like the rest of us and sees this Avery thing ain’t working out and that won’t change. But I also think that unless Avery meets us halfway and negotiates that ridiculous buyout down, he’s not getting fired, not until after April 15th, 2020 when it becomes $3 million.

Avery will have to leave of his own accord or he would have to get caught in something that gives us cause to fire him. God, I hope I’m wrong or I hope they are so miserable they back up and go back to NOLA but I’m not sure that will happen.

ETA: Here’s our only hope: on April 16, 2019 his buyout goes from $8 million to $6 million. Now we can suffer through another season of Avery and go about 14-17 next year while Avery collects another $2.9 million in salary and on April 16th we pay him another $3 million to go away. Or on April 16th, 2019, we can pay him $6 million to go away now. To me, that $100,000 difference isn’t worth letting the basketball program fall further behind the league. I’d go to him and say he can “resign” after tomorrow and we’ll pay him his $6 mil to leave or he can wait till April 16th and we’ll fire you publicly for the same amount. The choice is clear to me.
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Bham Bammer
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I agree that I think Byrne knows that Avery needs to go. We'll just have to see from a financial standpoint if the right people are willing to pony up. These are also going to be some of the same people we are looking to for the basketball renovations.


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