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But wasn’t it fun buckling up?!?


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But wasn’t it fun buckling up?!?


I to this day don't understand why Avery sold this idea and didn't try to implement. People forgive a lot of bad basketball if it is exciting. I would know, I loved the Steve Nash led Phoenix "I lose Rd1/2 in 7 seconds or less" Suns

Instead, he trotted out a 1990s offense and didn't bother hiring any assistants with backgrounds in developing proper shot mechanics




Even though I was skeptical of AJ's coaching ability, as an Auburn fan I will admit I was nervous of a rival who had a "fast paced, exciting" brand of basketball led by a pedigreed coach who connected with recruits. I want Alabama to make the rivalry relevant, not necessarily lap the field



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Yea, what's funny is all the "maybe this will work" stuff for the must part did. Recruiting was pretty good, excitement was there, all that stuff.

The nuts and bolts of it were awful and as boring and plodding as the prior regime.


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Chris Beard is UTex alum, so they would look at him first.


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Chris Beard is UTex alum, so they would look at him first.



Beard is a fanatical member of the Bobby Knight tree. I honestly don't think he'd leave Texas Tech. I believe he was an assistant there


As in, I think he somehow thinks "Lubbock, Texas, that's what I want to be"


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I think it would be wise to take a look at the philosophy and strategy of Dr. George Barber at Greenville University. He gained notoriety this year when his team beat an opponent 200-146 in regulation.

He’s done the math and is a big believer that it’s more efficient to shoot the 3 almost every trip down the floor. In that game they were 33-91 from 3 land. They aren’t superlative shooters, they are average from downtown but he’s trying to show that it’s better to shoot 33% from behind the arc to the max than 45% from the floor like an average team would with a few 3s sprinkled in.

If you’re wondering about the opponent scoring 146 meaning no defense, he said in a radio interview that the other coach also shared that philosophy and they were jacking up 3s also.

That may be a little extreme but it’s also eye opening and may be cutting edge in the evolution of the game. If you can spread the floor and make teams defend the perimeter, the floor opens up to a lot of different options. It’s basically like what the spread did with football. Instead of everyone in a small box clogging up and restricting offense, spread em out and open it up.
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The nuts and bolts of it were awful and as boring and plodding as the prior regime.


What's weird to me is that Avery sold being trend forward in terms of fast paced basketball...


Yet nearly every one of his assistant hires had no experience with uptempo basketball and generally pulled from some of the slowest paced teams in the country

-Antoine Pettway: Experience under Gottfried/Grant who both were generally slow tempo while at Bama

- Yasir Rosemond: Hired from slow tempo UGA

- John Pelphrey: Never ran up tempo at Arkansas

- Bob Simon: Hired from slow tempo Providence


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What's weird to me is that Avery sold being trend forward in terms of fast paced basketball...


Yet nearly every one of his assistant hires had no experience with uptempo basketball and generally pulled from some of the slowest paced teams in the country


It makes a lot of sense once you take into account that Avery the salesman and Avery the coach are two very different people. He's a great promoter, but when it comes to coaching he falls back on what he's comfortable with, which is the NBA offense he learned 25 years ago.


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It makes a lot of sense once you take into account that Avery the salesman and Avery the coach are two very different people


I'm not struggling with the bait n' switch aspect. I'm struggling on why Avery did one. He basically called early on the future of basketball with up tempo, high effiency shots + spacing after he was hired.

It would be like if Apple said in the 2000s smartphones were the future, then focused all their R&D + business on landline telephones


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but when it comes to coaching he falls back on what he's comfortable with, which is the NBA offense he learned 25 years ago.



That's what assistants are for.


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He basically called early on the future of basketball with up tempo, high effiency shots + spacing after he was hired.



Honestly, I think he just said what people always want to hear at those things. "Fast", "Up-tempo", "aggressive", etc.

And I think this season he actually thought early on he was doing that. Our tempo numbers were in the 80-100 range, higher than they've been since the Gottfried era. Now, obviously it wasn't a pure/good version of what we'd all consider pace and space, 3 or dunk, etc, but it was "fast" and "up tempo" theoretically.

I think that is what he meant when he described it. Running the floor and getting out on the break. Basically the 80s/90s version of "fast paced".
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Honestly, I think he just said what people always want to hear at those things.



Just weird that he didn't drink his own KoolAid.... considering the koolaid was well made and would have made him successful

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I think that is what he meant when he described it. Running the floor and getting out on the break. Basically the 80s/90s version of "fast paced".




This is probably the truth.



Should just go out and hire the Rockets D League coach to be honest. Only way to guarantee you are trend setting


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Robot Santa
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I'm not struggling with the bait n' switch aspect. I'm struggling on why Avery did one. He basically called early on the future of basketball with up tempo, high effiency shots + spacing after he was hired.



I don't think it was really a bait and switch. I just think it's a combination of Avery liking to say what he thinks people want to hear when he's speaking with the media, and Avery's idea of free flowing and up tempo not being anything like what is considered free flowing and up tempo in 2019.


RollTide4Ever
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Yeah, spacing is key. Soccer pushes that all the time. I like watching mangers such as Pep Guardiaola at work bc their teams thrive on great passing and anticipating where a teammate will be and thus setting up a play. Stuff like that is universal in sports. Spain became a power in soccer thanks to La Masia.


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Dixon left a Big East/ACC program to go to his alma mater. He ain’t an option.


Damn. Had no idea.


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I don't think it was really a bait and switch. I just think it's a combination of Avery liking to say what he thinks people want to hear when he's speaking with the media, and Avery's idea of free flowing and up tempo not being anything like what is considered free flowing and up tempo in 2019.




I think he realized after the first few games that he had no idea how to teach it, and after a thousand turnovers and some subpar games, he gradually fell back into what he knew ("knew" is a relative term here).


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Yeah, spacing is key


This is what old school people don't realize about how 3FG shooting teams can win

If you watch '18 Nova who could shoot at all 5 positions, people don't realize they were a top 10 2FG% team with no elite posts and undersized. They pulled this off because the help defense is stretched to the perimeter. Nova had wide open lanes to drive and no rim protector to contest.



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This is what old school people don't realize about how 3FG shooting teams can win

If you watch '18 Nova who could shoot at all 5 positions, people don't realize they were a top 10 2FG% team with no elite posts and undersized. They pulled this off because the help defense is stretched to the perimeter. Nova had wide open lanes to drive and no rim protector to contest.


I think a lot of people just aren't comfortable with the idea of running a small lineup without any true post players because it leaves you vulnerable on defense. Also, building a roster like what Villanova had last year isn't easy. I agree that having 4 or 5 guys who are legit 3pt shooters on the court at all times is the way to go though. Especially in college where there just aren't a lot of teams with skilled big men who can really make a small lineup pay.


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because it leaves you vulnerable on defense.

Especially in college where there just aren't a lot of teams with skilled big men who can really make a small lineup pay.


So maybe 2-3 teams on the schedule could possibly make a team pay on defense? Most of those big dominating CBB posts guys are slow and can't defend the perimeter. They'd be lucky to play 20min in an uptempo game and may even be liabilities. Just look at the NBA


Even the athletic bad matchups though, just look at Grant Williams vs AU on Saturday (8-11 2FG, 9/10 FT and 9 REB). He torched AU yet they still lost the game because AU shot 3s and stretched the court


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Also, building a roster like what Villanova had last year isn't easy


Maybe not the quality, but the type of roster should be. Especially as the younger bball generations are being defined by the shooting revolution


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If we go the mid major route again, I think we should look at Craig Smith at Utah State. The guy is at his 3rd school now and he’s turned around all 3. He’s been overshadowed in his conference this season by Musselman and Nevada but the guy keeps winning.


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Let's Talk Tommy Lloyd, Gonzaga Maestro quote:“He’s been a driving force in growing the product,” says head coach Mark Few. “His X’s-and-O’s acumen has grown so much, it’s at an elite level. He literally is one of the cornerstone guys in the whole run.” Fifteen years ago, Lloyd was a young assistant trying to carve a niche, when one day Few said he liked his contribution in player development, but added a challenge. “If you want to make a mark in this business,” Lloyd recalls him saying, mouthing the next words slowly, “find a way to get players.”




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