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re: 16-team SEC scheduling model(s)
Posted on 12/25/21 at 7:58 pm to C W
Posted on 12/25/21 at 7:58 pm to C W
LSU, Texas, A&M and Oklahoma. They would also have Arkansas and the Mississippi schools. The East would still have USC, Kentucky and Vandy. I think it’s pretty fair. Truly, the East would be a majority of original SEC members
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Posted on 12/25/21 at 7:59 pm to Cobrasize
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If the playoffs are expanded, I truly believe that we will do away with the Championship game.
That makes about as much sense as pods.This post was edited on 12/28/21 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/25/21 at 8:04 pm to Cobrasize
Since divisional play began SEC champions have been Alabama, UF, UGA , UT , Auburn , and LSU. So 5 in the east and 1 in the west isn’t balanced. A&M has never even made it to the title game, OU without Riley won’t be near as good, and Texas may or may not be good.
You can bet, though, that LSU fans would love to see that happen.
You can bet, though, that LSU fans would love to see that happen.
This post was edited on 12/25/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 12/25/21 at 8:20 pm to Cobrasize
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Texas, A&M
It will be one or the other. Never has both of them been dominant at the same time.
Posted on 12/25/21 at 8:33 pm to TideWarrior
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I think the pods would be the best way to go and what I think they will do. How they do it will be whether it works or not in the end to give us the best football and if based on financial I think the biggest financial return...
Splitting the SEC-E into Pod-A (FL GA KY SC) and Pod-B (AL AU TN VU) and the SEC-W into Pod-C (LS OM MS TA) and Pod-D (AR MO OK TX) does more harm than good. Your claims that pods would only sacrifice two big yearly matchups and provide better financial returns are false.
You also claimed nixing 16 SEC games to play 2 SEC semifinal interpod games would increase revenues. As I've already explained, the better financial benefits from new divisions with more yearly games & rivalries won't be sacrificed for pods and more rotational games. Nor will there be any SEC pods playoff. Fixing the current 12-year rotation flaw is pretty important, but it doesn't require pods and isn't priority-1 at any cost. I've also explained how all 8 cross-div teams can be rotated, (playing once) within 4 years. It also takes 4 years to rotate all 12 cross-pod teams (playing twice).
The adverse effects of pods far outweigh the only benefit (faster rotation) pods offer.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 8:23 am
Posted on 12/25/21 at 8:48 pm to C W
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Since divisional play began SEC champions have been Alabama, UF, UGA, UT, Auburn, and LSU. So 5 in the east and 1 in the west isn’t balanced. A&M has never even made it to the title game, OU without Riley won’t be near as good, and Texas may or may not be good.
You can bet, though, that LSU fans would love to see that happen.
TN hasn't won the SEC in this century. AU won it only once. FL hasn't since Meyer left. A&M & TX are recruiting well and will likely improve. OK might be better with Venables. OM won 10 games this season, TA & AR won 8 and MS won 7. LSU has fallen pretty far, but will likely rebound soon. AL & GA may make the SEC-E stronger than the SEC-W initially, but that's only at the top. Overall, the new E & W will likely be pretty balanced.
LSU fans may love AL being in the SEC-E, but UGA & FL fans may hate it.
This post was edited on 3/11/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/25/21 at 9:07 pm to TidalSurge1
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the better financial benefits from divisions and more yearly games
No matter how you slice it there will be the same number of games whether in a pod or a division. Pods will also create the same regional match ups.
How are you calculating better financial benefits. I mean in your scenario you play the same 7 teams each year and rotate 2 from the other division annually. So I would rotate LSU, Texas, OU or whoever every 4 years and only play them home once every 4 years. Explain how that increases revenue.
In the pod version I would play the same 3 teams every year and rotate 6 of the remaining 12 teams every 2 years with a home and away series.
Division Setup
Year 1 LSU away Texas Home
Year 5 LSU Home Texas Away
POD Setup
Year 1 LSU away Texas Home
Year 2 LSU Home Texas Away
Year 5 LSU Away Texas Home
Year 6 LSU Home Texas Away
Not sure how divisions make any sense financially or for the fans
This post was edited on 12/25/21 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 12/25/21 at 10:05 pm to TideWarrior
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Pods will also create the same regional match ups.
That's not true.
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Not sure how divisions make any sense financially or for the fans
I already explained why/how the 2 new SEC divisions make more sense financially and for the fans. But I'll try again to clarify it for you. Divisions and yearly in-division games must be sacrificed to have pods & more rotational games, but big financial benefits from yearly rivaries are a much higher priority than more rotational games.
So, can you explain how only 48 yearly games (16 teams playing 3 in-pod games) provide an equivalency in high-value annual rivalry games that 112 yearly games (16 teams playing 7 in-division games) provide? If you diligently and genuinely examine and compare them, you'll see that they can't.
Instead, you ignore that your pods sacrifice current valuable yearly rivalries like GA-TN, FL-TN & TA-AR and turn AU & AL vs GA, FL & KY and LS & TA vs AR, TX & OK into rotating cross-pod games -- while you selectively cite LS & TX rotations trying/failing to bolster your myopic notion that pods aren't fool's gold.
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 3/20/22 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/25/21 at 10:05 pm to Remiden
No to the 4 pod system... It disrupts too many traditional rivalries (big money TV games)!!! Two East West 8 team divisions with a 9 or 10 game SEC schedule is the best way to go!
Posted on 12/25/21 at 11:04 pm to luvthablues
Bingo! 
And, AU & AL in the SEC-East is vital to that solution.
Splitting the SEC-E into Pod-A (FL GA KY SC) and Pod-B (AL AU TN VB) and the SEC-W into Pod-C (LS OM MS TA) and Pod-D (AR MO OK TX) does more harm than good.
And, AU & AL in the SEC-East is vital to that solution.
Splitting the SEC-E into Pod-A (FL GA KY SC) and Pod-B (AL AU TN VB) and the SEC-W into Pod-C (LS OM MS TA) and Pod-D (AR MO OK TX) does more harm than good.
This post was edited on 3/7/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/25/21 at 11:17 pm to TidalSurge1
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it also ensures a loss for 8 SEC teams. That's a very costly tradeoff
I really think a 10-2 (8-2) SEC team with losses against, say a Georgia and an Arkansas, is still better than a 11-1 (7-1) team that beat 4 patsies in the OOC.
I think if teams move to more quality games, they'll be a paradigm shift in what's viewed as a great record.
A great NFL record is 12-4. Why? Because that's 12 wins against good teams, no patsies at all. None of us expect NFL teams to go undefeated, or even have to only have 1 or 2 losses.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 12:01 am to East Coast Band
Generally, I agree with those sentiments, and I'm not against a 10th SEC game per se. But weaker SEC teams vying for bowl eligibility and pecking order are adamantly against it. They view trading a non-SEC win opportunity for a likely SEC loss as very harmful. And, it's doubtful the SEC will do 10 conference games unless the ACC, B1G, PAC & Big12 also do it.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 12/26/21 at 1:43 am to TidalSurge1
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So, can you explain how only 48 yearly games (16 teams playing 3 in-pod games) will provide more high-value yearly rivalry games than 112 yearly games (16 teams playing 7 in-division games) will provide? Maybe trying to will help turn the light on for you.
If you think creating a yearly rivalry game between UA and UK, USC and Vandy will generate more income than UA playing LSU, Texas, OU, and aTm more often, we just will have to agree to disagree.
In the end the powers to be will make the decision on which system to create for the 16 teams solely on the financial benefit that generates the most income for the league not on either of our opinions.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 2:33 am to TideWarrior
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If you think creating a yearly rivalry game between UA and UK, USC and Vandy will generate more income than UA playing LSU, Texas, OU, and aTm more often, we just will have to agree to disagree.
I did not say or imply I think that. But, I do think all SEC teams playing 7 yearly in-div games + 2 rotating cross-div games will be more beneficial financially than all SEC teams playing 3 yearly in-pod games + 6 rotating cross-pod games. Again you ignore that your pods make AU & AL vs GA, FL & KY and LS & TA vs TX, OK & AR rotating cross-pod games and sacrifice many current valuable yearly rivalries -- GA-TN, FL-TN, AU-GA, AL-LS, FL-LS, LS-AR & TA-AR, along with others that 8-team divisions would facilitate.
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In the end the powers to be will make the decision on which system to create for the 16 teams solely on the financial benefit that generates the most income for the league not on either of our opinions.
At least you understand that. The 10 most-watched college football games of the 2021 regular season (247)
This post was edited on 3/10/22 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 12/26/21 at 5:47 am to TidalSurge1
It doesn't appear anyone is actually missing your point although a few are simply disagreeing with it. It's not a bad proposal that you've given just highly unlikely.
Too much power in the east with your scenario. We will know soon enough.
Too much power in the east with your scenario. We will know soon enough.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 5:54 am to luvthablues
Or no east/west, instead 4-5 annual rivalry games and rotate the rest of the schedule every two years. Top two records after tiebreakers go to seccg.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 12:00 pm to Bryantboyz
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It doesn't appear anyone is actually missing your point although a few are simply disagreeing with it.
It's obvious some have missed the key point. So I edited my OP to clarify and emphasize it.
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It's not a bad proposal that you've given just highly unlikely.
Obviously, you've missed the key point. Its financial benefits compared to alternative proposals make it highly likely.
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Too much power in the east with your scenario.
Not really. Nor would it be any more of an issue than the West now being stronger than the East.
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We will know soon enough.
By 2025.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 12/26/21 at 12:01 pm to Bryantboyz
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Or no east/west, instead 4-5 annual rivalry games and rotate the rest of the schedule every two years. Top two records after tiebreakers go to seccg.
That's better than 4-team pods, but unlikely. With 4 fixed opponents, the numbers won't work out: 15 opponents - 4 fixed = 11 rotating; 9 games - 4 fixed = 5 rotational, and 10 - 4 = 6. 5 fixed opponents would work out well, but it requires 10 SEC games:
10: 5 annual rivalries + 5/10 rotational
AL: OM TA MS LS AU + GA TX VU AR KY
AL: OM TA MS LS AU + FL OK TN MO SC
AR: TA OK LS TX MO + AL FL OM TN SC
AR: TA OK LS TX MO + AU GA MS VU KY
AU: GA MS VU FL AL + TA OK TN AR SC
AU: GA MS VU FL AL + LS TX OM MO KY
FL: LS TN GA AU SC + AL TX OM MO KY
FL: LS TN GA AU SC + TA OK MS AR VU
GA: AU SC FL TN KY + AL TA OK MS VU
GA: AU SC FL TN KY + LS AR TX OM MO
KY: TN MO SC VU GA + AL LS TA OK MS
KY: TN MO SC VU GA + AU FL AR TX OM
LS: FL AR OM AL TA + GA TX VU KY MO
LS: FL AR OM AL TA + AU OK TN SC MS
OM: AL TX LS OK MS + GA AU AR VU KY
OM: AL TX LS OK MS + FL TA MO TN SC
MS: OK AU TA AL OM + FL LS MO TN SC
MS: OK AU TA AL OM + GA TX AR VU KY
MO: TX VU KY OK AR + AU GA LS MS TN
MO: TX VU KY OK AR + AL FL TA OM SC
OK: MS AR TX OM MO + AU GA TA TN KY
OK: MS AR TX OM MO + AL FL LS VU SC
SC: VU GA TN KY FL + AU LS TX OM AR
SC: VU GA TN KY FL + AL TA OK MS MO
TN: KY FL SC GA VU + AL TA OK MS MO
TN: KY FL SC GA VU + AU LS TX OM AR
TA: AR AL MS TX LS + GA OK AU TN KY
TA: AR AL MS TX LS + FL OM MO VU SC
TX: MO OM OK AR TA + AL FL LS SC VU
TX: MO OM OK AR TA + AU GA MS KY TN
VU: SC MO AU KY TN + AL GA LS TX OM
VU: SC MO AU KY TN + TA FL AR OK MS
Note: The NCAA requires conferences with 12 or more teams to have 2 divisions.
This post was edited on 2/26/22 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 12/26/21 at 3:11 pm to TidalSurge1
Nah nobody missed your point...edit or no edit.
Posted on 12/26/21 at 3:15 pm to TidalSurge1
Lol well I hardly said it was likely but it sure makes more sense than much of the fubar being tossed around.
Regardless of how it ends up, tradition rivalries will be protected and location of the schools will be irrelevant as it relates to any group or divisional split.
Regardless of how it ends up, tradition rivalries will be protected and location of the schools will be irrelevant as it relates to any group or divisional split.
This post was edited on 12/26/21 at 4:21 pm
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