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re: NCAA votes to allow athletes to profit off likeness
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:03 am to CrimsonCrusade
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:03 am to CrimsonCrusade
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Second, with rivalries, most traditions, and bowls effectively gone, amateurism was the only thing differentiating college from the NFL. Now it will just be the NFL with worse players.
Kids have been getting paid to go to school under the table for years. I was friends with a few pretty talented athletes on the football team when I was in school in 2011, and they drove custom cars with their name on it. They'd even brag about, "it's good them boys love us so much, and show it!"
So, you'd rather payments be (1) untaxed [meaning it's now a federal crime for both payment and receiving], rather than (2) it being out in the open?
If that's your definition of amateurism, I suggest you look at a dictionary. Actually - I'll do it for you:
"am·a·teur": (1) a person who engages in a pursuit, especially a sport, on an unpaid rather than a professional basis.
Please enlighten me as to how the facade of amateurism is keeping this sport "pure" for you
Posted on 10/30/19 at 9:54 am to Bear88
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I don’t understand all the people saying athletes should be just like other students getting paid . Students aren’t walking around getting paid for their likeness , and the ones who are working and getting paid , are working to pay for everything the athletes are getting FREE plus a stipend
That's because nobody cares about your average student's name, image or likeness. If there was something marketable about that student's NIL for whatever reason, then they absolutely would be cashing in on that. There's no reason not to allow this--with some restrictions--for student-athletes.
And, yes, it should and would be all be taxable income. The real tax implications will only arise if student-athletes become employees of the schools, as tuition, room, board and other fringe benefits, are only without recourse tax-wise to the employee up to $5,250. After that, the cost of all of those becomes income imputed to the students as far as the IRS is concerned. That might not be a huge issue for an in-state kid attending a public university, but for those kids signing with a Duke, a Northwestern or a Stanford, that's going to be a HUGE tax burden.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:40 pm to Bear88
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I am kinda like you Bo, I don’t think Saban or a lot of veteran coaches will want to deal with this if it plays out like some on this board think it will . Just my .02
Well they can donate a portion of their salaries to the players or GTFO of the profession.
This is a America, and if America is a capitalist society, let that be the case for everyone.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:44 pm to coachcrisp
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but I don't believe the majority of its supporters actually realize its consequences.
List the consequences.
Also, make sure you list the one's that have happened since athletes started getting paid money (by the universities) above their scholarships.
Also, list the consequences for sports like Baseball
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 12:57 pm to stomp
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This is a America, and if America is a capitalist society, let that be the case for everyone.
Nobody is stopping the kids from capitalizing on their names right now. They voluntarily joined the NCAA, a private organization, because the market dictated that was the best value for them. Otherwise, they would’ve chosen another route to showcase their abilities.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 1:10 pm to FairhopeTider
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They voluntarily joined the NCAA, a private organization, because the market dictated that was the best value for them.
Show me any other private entity that governs the income of another private citizen.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:08 pm to stomp
In most conversations I've been privy too from pundits who have been pro-player compensation, most can't complete a sentence without using the term "unintended consequences."
The group that just gave us all these new and highly confused interpretations of the transfer portal for underclassmen is going to now define for all humanity the legal interpretation of "likeness" in all business decisions.
I can't wait to read these Bylaws.
The group that just gave us all these new and highly confused interpretations of the transfer portal for underclassmen is going to now define for all humanity the legal interpretation of "likeness" in all business decisions.
I can't wait to read these Bylaws.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:15 pm to stomp
almost every business in the US does that. WE do it. We tell our employees how much they will make, when they will work, how they will act, how they will dress, and what we expect out of them. And they are not allowed to compete against us in any way.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:25 pm to IB4bama
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We tell our employees how much they will make, when they will work, how they will act, how they will dress, and what we expect out of them
That's the key phrase right here. For years, the NCAA has refused to let their slaves (Oh, I'm sorry - "student athletes") make a dime while the schools and conferences they are affiliated with made tens of millions of dollars off their images and likeness.
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:38 pm to RollTide1987
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That's the key phrase right here. For years, the NCAA has refused to let their slaves (Oh, I'm sorry - "student athletes") make a dime while the schools and conferences they are affiliated with made tens of millions of dollars off their images and likeness.
Let me ask you something, just for the sake of clarity? Do you honestly think the majority of Alabama fans are that concerned about players striking a financial arrangement that will put some coins in their pockets?
Or do you think the much bigger issue for Alabama fans overall is how these new Bylaws will effect high school recruiting?
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:38 pm to RollTide1987
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slaves
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:53 pm to IB4bama
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almost every business in the US does that. WE do it. We tell our employees how much they will make, when they will work, how they will act, how they will dress, and what we expect out of them. And they are not allowed to compete against us in any way.
Name me an instance of an employer dissuading an employee from making side income off another private venture that doesn't conflict with the employers business...
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:54 pm to RollTide1987
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That's the key phrase right here. For years, the NCAA has refused to let their slaves
A complete and total insult. Playing collegiate athletics is voluntary.
This is the kind of hyperbole that keeps people's minds closed to an opinion that isn't their own...
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:56 pm to stomp
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List the consequences. Also, make sure you list the one's that have happened since athletes started getting paid money (by the universities) above their scholarships. Also, list the consequences for sports like Baseball
3 downvotes... not 1 consequence explained. ¯\_(?)_/¯
This post was edited on 10/30/19 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 10/30/19 at 2:59 pm to stomp
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Name me an instance of an employer dissuading an employee from making side income off another private venture that doesn't conflict with the employers business...
I've had to fire a few folks over the decades who decided to invest in part-time employment away from their fulltime job. They were tired and determined to continue to give both jobs half their attention.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:29 pm to stomp
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Playing collegiate athletics is voluntary.
So is any other job.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:43 pm to stomp
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This is a America, and if America is a capitalist society, let that be the case for everyone.
It is the case already.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
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So is any other job.
Yes but slavery was absolutely NOT voluntary.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:43 pm to stomp
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Name me an instance of an employer dissuading an employee from making side income off another private venture that doesn't conflict with the employers business...
I have to sign non-compete clauses all the time.
Posted on 10/30/19 at 3:44 pm to stomp
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Yes but slavery was absolutely NOT voluntary.
Go frick yourself.
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