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Let's just simplify this situation of what this 2017 team is

Posted on 11/27/17 at 7:55 am
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 7:55 am
Our defense isn't elite. They are good, but not elite. That is evident when you look at the pass rush and the constant need to blitz on 3rd down.

Our offense, against top tier defenses, is pedestrian. We looked good against inferior defenses, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Vandy, etc., but had a hard time against LSU, Aggy and Auburn. The O-line is a factor being that we couldn't blow teams off the ball.

With that being said, we simply needed Jalen to play at a Vince Young type level to carry us through the tougher games, i.e. Auburn. Being that Auburn is more than competent on both sides of the ball, we needed Jalen to be able to put points on the board and he couldn't. Allot of us wanted him to badly breakthrough, but he didn't because his ceiling is what we saw against State. It is what it is.

Unless our defense is 2015 elite, we will need outstanding QB play. Period.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:00 am to
Our entire offense shite the bed against AU.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:02 am to
The RBs, combined, had only 18 or so carries while Hurts had 17. Hurts had the ball far more than any other player on offense. The entire offense went through him.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:05 am to
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Let's just simplify this situation of what this 2017 team isThe RBs, combined, had only 18 or so carries while Hurts had 17. Hurts had the ball far more than any other player on offense. The entire offense went through him.


And the plays are called by the OC. This entire conversation needs to be this. Brian run RPO with Jalen because that's his strength not 1 foot in RPO and 1 in Pro style. He can't run a pro style team, god and everyone knows it.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:06 am to
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Hurts had the ball far more than any other player on offense.



Well, he is the QB. He had his worst game, no doubt.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
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Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:09 am to
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And the plays are called by the OC. This entire conversation needs to be this. Brian run RPO with Jalen because that's his strength not 1 foot in RPO and 1 in Pro style. He can't run a pro style team, god and everyone knows it.

I do agree, we should have run an RPO system completely, but we didn't. That is what you get with a guy that has no OC experience of any kind. He tried to do his best, they all did.
Posted by TomRollTideRitter
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:09 am to
Lane is the only OC who won us games on offense. 2014 Auburn and 2015 Clemson come to mind.

Maybe 2013 A&M under Nuss the offense won us the game, but there were several A&M turnovers if I remember correctly. A&M was also just a horrible defensive team.
Posted by Spread
Alabama
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:10 am to
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Our entire offense shite the bed against AU.


Special teams had at least two substantial miscues, as well.
Posted by CrimsonBoz
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:14 am to
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quote: And the plays are called by the OC. This entire conversation needs to be this. Brian run RPO with Jalen because that's his strength not 1 foot in RPO and 1 in Pro style. He can't run a pro style team, god and everyone knows it. I do agree, we should have run an RPO system completely, but we didn't. That is what you get with a guy that has no OC experience of any kind. He tried to do his best, they all did.


If we could just run that 1st series of the 2nd half all the time we would beat everyone.

I know Daboll doesn't have much experience with it but damn watch the film and he will see.

Posted by Gary Busey
Member since Dec 2014
33277 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:16 am to
I didn't understand the offensive gameplan. Why revolve it around Jalen? Guy can obviously contribute to the run game, but don't rely on him solely on the ground. I thought we were having success off tackle and when we pulled a guard, yet we went away from the one thing working. It's mind boggling. And why not try to get Jacobs involved some in the slot?

Daboll really shite the bed to me. Sounds cliche for a Bama fan against the OC, but that was just awful.
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:19 am to
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He had his worst game, no doubt


Nope. FSU was even worse than that.
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
3467 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:52 am to
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Unless our defense is 2015 elite, we will need outstanding QB play. Period.



I totally agree with you but the stats say that we are elite on defense . We have the #2 defense in the country, and .02 yards per play away from being #1. That says all you need to know about the offensive performance and specifically the lack of a passing game and QB play.

Statistically we even have one of the best special teams units in the country (fumbles aside). #1 Punt return defense, ranked #32 in kick return defense. Only four yards off the leader with about 15 more attempts.

Our passing offense ranking - #85. We're not a sling it around team; I get that but here are some teams that would be a decent comparison and their ranking.
Penn State #25
Nebraska #28
Miami #41
Northwestern #51
Clemson #54
Virginia Tech #59
Auburn #64
Pitt #74
South Carolina #79

Jalen didn't need to be Vince Young he only needed to be as about as good as Northwesterns or Miamis QB. I don't think that top 40 or 50 QB play is too much to ask.

On top of it we struggled with 3rd downs, specifically because a lot of times 3rd down becomes a passing down. If you can't be balanced play action doesn't work, none of the things you set up work, because the defense knows that your only gonna give them 10-12 serious passing looks a game.

Long and short of it, solid teams will make you pay for your deficiencies and make you one dimensional. On average we only complete around 11 passes per game. We had one where Jalen complete 14. In our three biggest games the completion percentage was in the 50's. Basically zero offensive balance and no real threat in the passing game also nullifying play action as well. If you take half of your offensive threat away, you have to execute perfectly to win.
This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 9:09 am
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2278 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 8:54 am to
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The RBs, combined, had only 18 or so carries while Hurts had 17. Hurts had the ball far more than any other player on offense. The entire offense went through him.

Does that include the countless times Hurts couldn't find a receiver so he scrambled?
Posted by Kcstills17
Member since Nov 2017
10066 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 9:55 am to
We've been bad on 3rd down for years. I guess that has been the worst result of the offense we've ran the last few years. We're so inconsistent it's tough to watch at times
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
3467 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:23 am to
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We've been bad on 3rd down for years. I guess that has been the worst result of the offense we've ran the last few years. We're so inconsistent it's tough to watch at times


61/147 This year - Rank #59. 40%

Honestly that's not as bad as I thought it would be.

Here are the last few years (I rounded up the decimals). It does show a pretty big falloff. Oddly enough, the last time our conversion percentage was this low was 2009.

2016 - #25, 45%
2015 - #99, 35%
2014 - #8, 50%
2013 - #19, 47%
2012 - #27, 46%
2011 - #12, 48%
2010 - #30, 45%
2009 - #64, 39%
Posted by labamafan
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2007
24263 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 10:30 am to
Yep. I agree without an elite defense Jalen has to play far better than he did or we need to switch QB. I have FULLY supported Jalen all year but we aren't good enough this year to not consistently pass the ball.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20758 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 11:58 am to
We knew the defense would take a step back this year so the offense was going to have to pick up some slack. Our defense is good enough to win a championship but the offense is so inefficient that it puts our D in a tough spot.

The only way we were going to beat AU was by keeping their Offense off the field. Our offense, yet again under Jalen, was a three & out machine. I know it’s clichè to bash the QB, but we’re going on two years now with no semblance of a passing game.
Posted by KareemAbdul
Member since Dec 2012
1728 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 12:01 pm to
Which is strange because it didn't seem like we made Auburn stop our running backs. It looks like the staff saw what they did to UGA's backs and gameplanned around not running the ball much.

I think the plan is okay in theory, moderate carries with the running backs and make Jalen multidimensional. Just didn't execute it well.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
23830 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 1:04 pm to
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Yep. I agree without an elite defense Jalen has to play far better than he did or we need to switch QB. I have FULLY supported Jalen all year but we aren't good enough this year to not consistently pass the ball.


That is just the simple truth. There's no other way around it. With the defense being just good, not elite or great, just good, we have to put up points against the better teams. A good portion of those have to come through the air.

Our elite defense in 2015 allowed for us to have a shitty o-line and pedestrian QB play. We just don't have that.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20758 posts
Posted on 11/27/17 at 2:02 pm to
We don’t even need “outstanding” QB play this year. We just need QB play that requires a defense to respect the pass. It’s crazy to me that with the talent we have, defenses like AU’s consider us to be a two man show on offense but it’s true. You lock down Ridley while containing Hurts and you’re all set. We have enough horsepower on the OL and at RB to take advantage of a defense that has to respect both. Additionally, we have enough talent at WR that we should have an effective passing game.

This post was edited on 11/27/17 at 2:04 pm
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