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TomRollTideRitter
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Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
The word in draft talk is that Justin Fields is falling down draft boards. This is primarily because he locks onto his primary receiver. If you’ve watched Fields play, this is obvious and a scout claims only 7 of Fields’ passes did not go to the primary receiver last year.

Fields is basically the same player he was in high school and is similar to Jalen prior to Jalen’s junior season. He’s a great athlete who relies on the coach to scheme guys open to have passing success.

When Jalen had Lane, he was successful but limited. When Jalen had Daboll, he was asked to do things he wasn’t ready for. This of course, eventually led to Jalen being benched.

Where it becomes interesting is that Jalen developed the most here after he got benched. By the end of his junior year, you could scan the field, and you could actually picture him as an NFL QB.

Mac Jones was abysmal in limited action until his junior year, and we saw what he turned into. Would he have been that good had he transferred to Kentucky and started early on? I don’t think so.

The point is there is a developmental benefit to being a backup. Had Fields stayed a UGA and learned to play in a more complicated system, I think he’d be the 2nd pick right now. Instead he left and had success, but he’s got the same deficiencies he had as a freshman.

Sorry for the long read. Just food for thought because a million guys are hitting the basketball portal atm.


Robot Santa
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
Would Fields have been developed at UGA though? Fromm was the same player as a junior that he was as a freshman, and that's probably why he went pro despite being destined for a career as a clipboard holder. I think most athletic QBs pretty much need to be knocked down a peg and get a reality check before you're going to convince them that their legs should be viewed as a backup plan and improvisational tool instead of always being option #2. Especially a guy like Hurts or Fields at the college level when they're just going to be able to outrun most defenders. Jalen lost his starting job and decided to learn from it. Fields did not, so that reality check that he's no longer the baddest motherfricker on the field and can't singlehandedly win games anymore is going to have to happen at the NFL level now.


TomRollTideRitter
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
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Would Fields have been developed at UGA though? Fromm was the same player as a junior that he was as a freshman, and that's probably why he went pro despite being destined for a career as a clipboard holder.


Fromm and Fields are different level talents though. Fields not being the number two pick is a condemnation of his development. Fromm was always destined to be an NFL backup.

The fact that Mac Jones is being discussed as a higher pick than Fields is shocking.


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The fact that Mac Jones is being discussed as a higher pick than Fields is shocking.

I'm not shocked by that at all.


TomRollTideRitter
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'm not shocked by that at all.


I should say shocking relative to how they came into college - a fringe top 500 recruit vs the number 1/2 overall recruit.

Not shocking after last season.


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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
I think the big thing is being able to process what is going
on once the play starts and players start moving all over the field. That is what Payton Manning calls the "it factor" They have it or they dont. Now, some of it might have to do with preparation. Mac's current QB coach said Mac had a binder of his own scouting material for each team Alabama played last season. And there was no difference in how he prepared for every team.


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Gotcha


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hnds2th
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I live in Arizona and unfortunately my only choice for nfl games are the Cardinals. I’m telling you Kyler Murray is going to be a bust. He simply cannot throw his way out of trouble, so if he can’t run, he’s done. I predict the same for Fields and any other athletic QB who isn’t a “passer” first.


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Robot Santa
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Fromm and Fields are different level talents though. Fields not being the number two pick is a condemnation of his development. Fromm was always destined to be an NFL backup.


Yeah but UGA hasn't exactly reinvented the wheel on offense. Especially before they hired Monken. I'm just saying that he probably wouldn't have been developed there any more than he was at OSU because of how incredibly conservative they have been on offense under Kirby.

And really it's not that surprising that he doesn't know how to go through route progressions. That is, and always has been, the common Achilles heel of so-called "dual threat" QBs. That's why I say that those dudes usually need to fail before they can really progress. They have to have some sort of realization that their legs are nothing more than a when all else fails backup plan rather than an appropriate second option when the primary read isn't open, but typically something external like an injury, getting benched, etc. has to happen before that realization occurs.


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Justin Fields....The benefits of waiting your turn



Uhhh. I'm no savant but He didn't wait. He transferred?


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viceman
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
People are confused about why San Fran traded up if they could get Jones at 12. The simple answer is they couldn't. Shannahan learned that the only qb Atlanta is interested in this year is Jones, and they want him to understudy under Ryan. So Shannahan traded up to 3 to get his man. McShay knows this and this is his latest top 10 projection. edit: The 4 Bama players in the top 10 made me smile too.
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TomRollTideRitter
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
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And really it's not that surprising that he doesn't know how to go through route progressions. That is, and always has been, the common Achilles heel of so-called "dual threat" QBs. That's why I say that those dudes usually need to fail before they can really progress. They have to have some sort of realization that their legs are nothing more than a when all else fails backup plan rather than an appropriate second option when the primary read isn't open, but typically something external like an injury, getting benched, etc. has to happen before that realization occurs.


It’s a good point, and I agree. I’m just thinking Fields could/should have had this realization when he didn’t win the job at UGA.


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viceman
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he word in draft talk is that Justin Fields is falling down draft boards. This is primarily because he locks onto his primary receiver. If you’ve watched Fields play, this is obvious and a scout claims only 7 of Fields’ passes did not go to the primary receiver last year.


Yes, and Fields chokes under pressure. Check out his under pressure rating. Disregard total td's because Jones played 5 more games, but don't disregard td/int ratio. Fields threw 2 more ints in 5 less games. Lance played in 5 games against lesser competition.

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qman91
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Had Fields stayed a UGA and learned to play in a more complicated system, I think he’d be the 2nd pick right now. Instead he left and had success, but he’s got the same deficiencies he had as a freshman.
I agree with most of your points except for this one. I think the coaches at OSU were more capable of developing a quarterback than at UGA, I point to Jake Fromm's development as an example. If you compare the progression of Jake Fromm and Justin Fields, I believe Fields came out better on that end.


hnds2th
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
And why does Mac get dinged for playing with elite talent, but Fields and Lawrence get a pass? Are OSU and Clemson populated with scrubs?


qman91
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That irritates the hell out of me too, they act like Clemson and Ohio State don't have recruiting classes in the top 5 every year also.


The Inspector
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
Very good point.Plus Fields did NOT face the competition week-in and week-out that Mac Jones did.Also,Fields NEVER faced anywhere near the athleticism at all 3 levels of defense that Mac faced.Not even close.As I have said Fields has pocket issues that will be difficult to improve on. Also ,NOBODY ever fixed that severe "Loop" in his throwing mechanics which will kill any accuracy he has in tight NFL windows.He was used to throwing to guys flying wide-open 90% of the time against their competition. Those days are over.


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JustGetItRight
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re: Justin Fields, Mac Jones and Jalen Hurts: The benefits of waiting your turn
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Uhhh. I'm no savant but He didn't wait. He transferred?


That's exactly his point.

He's saying that Fields transferring so he could play immediately might be a factor in hindering his development as a quarterback. Instead of watching, learning, and working on weaker parts of his game for a couple of years like Mac Jones (and one could even say Jalen Hurts after Tua took over), he took the route of instant gratification and that choice was detrimental to him in the long run.

IMO, he's got a valid point in general but Fields isn't a good example. As others have shown, UGA hasn't shown the ability to develop a QB under Kirby.


TomRollTideRitter
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IMO, he's got a valid point in general but Fields isn't a good example. As others have shown, UGA hasn't shown the ability to develop a QB under Kirby.


Maybe he’s not a good example in that regard, but he is a good example in that instead of learning from a setback, he just took the easy path out. He could’ve gone to Ohio State and told Day that he needed help learning a more complex system. Although had he done that, Fields probably would’ve looked poor as sophomore, Ohio State probably loses more games and he may be getting drafted even lower.

The deficiencies that made Fromm a better option than Fields in Chaney’s system are the same deficiencies that have Fields dropping down boards.
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ricketsd
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I'm also not shocked by Jones being ranked above Fields in the NFL draft. Jones is my wife's favorite. Just last night we watched the championship game again and she sat there recording each completion, incompletion and throwaway by Fields and Jones. At the end of the game she was joyful about how much Jones outplayed Fields and felt vindicated in her assessment of Jones. She also watched Herbstriet's segment with Jones and was delighted with how well Jones responded. As far as I'm concerned, happy wife, happy life. RTR


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