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TideSaint
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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Seriously, then people wonder why we lack speed on the line.

We keep blowing kids up and the ones who are big enough who are quick guys or speedsters won't get the burn in the moments that count.


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YStar


If anyone knows what they are talking about when it comes to being in shape it's this dude.

He actually played college football and is built like a fricking tank.


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TideSaint
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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For the record, most of my condescension comes after another person does it to me first, just like in this thread. Saint struck first:


I wasn't being condescending in that post. You have issues my dude.

Now, my response this morning on the other hand...




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3down10
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He may be a little condescending but he isn't unintelligent.




I thought so at first, but after listening to him talk on a few subjects I think he is mostly full of shite.

I'm a little condescending at times. That dude is a full blown mental case.


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YStar
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
You said it all in this post.

People always associate big to being better. The reality is big is only better if you can move faster, quicker and SUSTAIN this over long periods.

We have an issue with speed, getting to the QB and endurance (mainly due to our seeming refusal to consistently rotate in high pressure games).

So what do we do? Start blowing these kids up right when they come in.

For me it's not smart and Saban needs to adjust with the times for his defense like he has with his offense. If you noticed we have embraced change offensively.... however not so much defensively besides losing the oversided NT who could only play one or two downs a series.

Also losing weight in camp is different depending on the position. If you're a TE, WR, RB, CB, etc.. (skill position) you're going to naturally lose more because of the amount of conditioning from running. When you're a OL, DL or QB you're not losing as much because you're not running as much, plus your diet will be different.

For OL and DL they lose a little but change the kind of mass they have. For skill positions, you lose much more and tend to gain some back when camp ends, also during the initial part of the season.

Regardless it is not good Eboigbe has put on such weight and if you don't think schools use this to negative recruit us when we go after speed rushers or end disruptors then you're clueless.
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
YStar and TideSaint are right. We are still operating defensively like teams are only passing 25 times a game and 15 of those out of 21 personnel.

It's why we still struggle without a murderous pass rush (i.e., Tim Williams/Ryan Anderson).

How much weight has Labryan Ray gained since he got here? Now he's dealing with nagging injuries?
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
We literally had Clemson and Oklahoma gameplan us knowing our great defensive line would gas and go limp.

We had offensive lineman from both teams; especially Clemson, talk about how they expected our DL to not be a factor after second quarter. They knew we would slow down.

Saban has to see the writing on the wall.

It's the same with how these overside ILBs are liabilities.
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DT55Forever1
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
I said it because you told Saint that 33 pounds in 6 months was "nothing, particularly for a human being this size lifting hard and preparing for the season." I meant that surely he had been doing that in his previous seasons but didn't bulk up like that.
33 pounds in 6 months and being in game shape is not likely or healthy for anyone, and if it happened, it wasn't done naturally.
That being said, it's been pointed out on this thread that the 6 month timeline is probably not accurate so it's not as big a deal.
Sorry for the confusion.


prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
Saint, I hope that made you feel better.

Still, there's no evidence that your timeline is correct, neither 6 months or 8 months. Additionally, Egboigbe weighed 284 in February. Six months later, he reportedly weighs 294. So he's gained 10 pounds in the last 6 months.

And so we've had this long 'discussion' about a reality that wasn't.

Again, Egboigbe didn't do what you said he did. You just invented a thing you wanted to rail against. However, I don't want to get in the way of a man's God-given right to be wrong.

I don't care at all about convincing you of your wrongness. You can stay wrong, and I'm cool with it.

Take care.
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IB4bama
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
Kirby Smart talked about the D line at the SEC media days a few weeks ago. Kirby said finding speed rushers was easy because there are plenty of them around. Kirby said the difficult thing was finding interior D linemen that can push the line and get pressure on the QB. Kirby said those are whats hard to find. We lost Lewis and Allen plus Jennings didnt have the same speed after his injury. Anoma was a head case that got a penalty every time he made a tackle. Saban said before the season that the offense would have to carry this team (last year). We play with 5 dbs to defend the spread. You have to have some meat up front to stop the run.


prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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I said it because you told Saint that 33 pounds in 6 months was "nothing, particularly for a human being this size lifting hard and preparing for the season." I meant that surely he had been doing that in his previous seasons but didn't bulk up like that.
33 pounds in 6 months and being in game shape is not likely or healthy for anyone, and if it happened, it wasn't done naturally.
That being said, it's been pointed out on this thread that the 6 month timeline is probably not accurate so it's not as big a deal.
Sorry for the confusion.


No worries, my man. I attribute he size the year before (261) to being likely 16 years old, and his size in February 2019 (284) to being 17 years old and still maturing physically. At this moment, he's likely 18 years old, 10 pounds heavier than he was 6 months ago, and close to his desired playing weight, although we can't know that until we know which position along the line he'll play.

Either way, there isn't anything amiss about his weight gain and there never was, despite what others in this thread purported.


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prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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Kirby Smart talked about the D line at the SEC media days a few weeks ago. Kirby said finding speed rushers was easy because there are plenty of them around. Kirby said the difficult thing was finding interior D linemen that can push the line and get pressure on the QB. Kirby said those are whats hard to find. We lost Lewis and Allen plus Jennings didnt have the same speed after his injury. Anoma was a head case that got a penalty every time he made a tackle. Saban said before the season that the offense would have to carry this team (last year). We play with 5 dbs to defend the spread. You have to have some meat up front to stop the run.


Excellent post and much needed logic against the posters here who want our Dline to be the same size as Middle Tenn State.


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prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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People always associate big to being better.


I don't know anyone who does this.


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prevatt33
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YStar and TideSaint are right. We are still operating defensively like teams are only passing 25 times a game and 15 of those out of 21 personnel.

It's why we still struggle without a murderous pass rush (i.e., Tim Williams/Ryan Anderson).

How much weight has Labryan Ray gained since he got here? Now he's dealing with nagging injuries?


Clemson's starting Front 4 plus best backup:

DE: Ferrell 264lbs
DT: Lawrence 342lbs or Huggins 305lbs
DT: Wilkins 315lbs
DE: Bryant 271lbs

Clemson runs a 4-3, and so to best translate their size to a 3-4, the smallest DE would translate to our Jack LB. And so, if Clemson had been running our defense, their starters along the DLine would have been 271 at 5-Tech end, 315 at 3-tech Tackle, and 342 at Nose.

And yet, many here in this thread have indicated that Egboigbe shouldn't be over 275 lbs at this point, as it is evidence of weight mismanagement by the staff, despite the fact that he reported to Bama at 284.

Has it occurred to anyone that Egboigbe is not a slim edge speed rusher? Has it occured to anyone that he his body has matured into the body of a defensive tackle? Now, if he's got edge-rusher skills in a 3-tech Tackle body, he'll make millions in the NFL. If he needs to slim down to about 275 and play the 5-tech End, I'm sure our staff will have him do that.

But the simple fact that anyone who wants any of our DTs to be 275 is just laughably wrong. Alabama is not a directional FCS school.
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prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!


Regardless of any listed number of pounds, does this not look like an explosive athlete? Does the above picture from this fall camp not look like a good-looking 3-4 DE or small DT in a pinch? That's what he looks like to me...
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
He looks like Jon Allen and he was pretty good for us.


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prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!


Such an unexplosive fatty, right Saint? I can't believe the staff ruined him so early in his career.

Saint, please send your body-building links to Scott Cochran, that he he quits ruining all our freshman. Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Look at those arms. They can't do anything now after the huge weight gain of the last 6 months. His actin is definitely shot. Probably his myosin, too. He should probably retire from football now, just save himself the heartbreak.
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TideSaint
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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But the simple fact that anyone who wants any of our DTs to be 275 is just laughably wrong.


Who said this?

The issue is putting on the weight too fast, not that he shouldn't be playing at 294 pounds.

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And so, if Clemson had been running our defense, their starters along the DLine would have been 271 at 5-Tech end, 315 at 3-tech Tackle, and 342 at Nose.


We haven't run a traditional 3-4 defense in YEARS. What team have you been watching on Saturdays?



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TideSaint
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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Regardless of any listed number of pounds, does this not look like an explosive athlete?


He actually looks really good in that picture. Good find.

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Does the above picture from this fall camp


Except this is where you fricked up. That picture was taken on March 28th, not this week.

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good-looking 3-4 DE or small DT in a pinch? That's what he looks like to me...



So you're saying he would look really good if he dropped 10 pounds or so? Gotta say, I agree.
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TideSaint
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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Such an unexplosive fatty, right Saint? I can't believe the staff ruined him so early in his career.


You think a picture of someone hitting a dummy helps your argument?

You are delusional. I thought it was all an act for a little while there. I guess not.

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Saint, please send your body-building links to Scott Cochran, that he he quits ruining all our freshman. Thanks in advance.



You got his email address? I'll send him the articles of quotes from his boss and former players where they said they needed to lose weight to get more explosive. Maybe he'll read them.

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Look at those arms.


His arms aren't the problem. It's the added fat around his midsection. You know, you had the same condition growing up, right?


prevatt33
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re: Justin Eboigbe is up to 294 lbs ?!?!?!?!
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 the problem. It's the added fat around his midsection. 


What added fat? Circle this deleterious amount of fat in the last 2 photos. Are you blind?

Saint, outside this thread, I've got nothing against you.

In this thread, you invented a narrative (gaining 33 pounds in 6 months) and railed against it, despite the fact that it has been proven that he didn't weigh 261 six months ago. He definitely weighed 284 in February, and weighed 261 when he was 16 or 17 years old.

In short, the weight gain thing you've been yammering on about was never reality and it's been demonstrably proven. Additionally, it's perfectly reasonable for a growing adolescent his size to put on quite a bit of mass at this juncture in his life, especially with excellent nutrition, supplements, and lifting, and there's nothing negative about it.

You just refuse to admit that you were way off base and are adamant about dying on this hill. Just let it go. Egboigbe is not a Jack LB, or a slim speed End, at least not at this moment.

There's no reason for any Bama fan to be concerned about Egboigbe's weight, and I'm sure his growth is an asset to the team.

Continue being mad at me if you want, but let this issue go. You are wrong and it's obvious. You just are mad at me right now. Watch our practice videos and Egboigbe looks explosive, and many are reporting how impressive he looks and is performing at this time.

Thanks for derailing George's thread. Regarding, the OP, yes George, Egboigbe looks like a monster fixing to eat. I agree. Great post.
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