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Just rewatched the Clemson game
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 2/16/18 at 10:33 pm
The offense was terrible...just terrible.
Jalen couldn’t see or hit a receiver and took a few bad sacks where he just stood there looking around. Then you have the fumbled RPO where Jalen held it too long causing DH to release to block. Several times there were receivers open for decent gains and just didn’t see them, or was scared to throw. And when he did throw, his slow delivery killed th play (underthrown flea flicker to Ridley).
The body language of the offense was bad, and they just had zero juice.
With average QB play, Bama would have won that game by 5 TDs...even without the pick-6.
It’s a good thing the defense came ready to play.
I can’t figure out how Hurts got progressively worse every game since he first played against USC. I actually feel bad for him because he was left in games to struggle despite having lost all of his confidence.
Jalen couldn’t see or hit a receiver and took a few bad sacks where he just stood there looking around. Then you have the fumbled RPO where Jalen held it too long causing DH to release to block. Several times there were receivers open for decent gains and just didn’t see them, or was scared to throw. And when he did throw, his slow delivery killed th play (underthrown flea flicker to Ridley).
The body language of the offense was bad, and they just had zero juice.
With average QB play, Bama would have won that game by 5 TDs...even without the pick-6.
It’s a good thing the defense came ready to play.
I can’t figure out how Hurts got progressively worse every game since he first played against USC. I actually feel bad for him because he was left in games to struggle despite having lost all of his confidence.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:03 pm to Eli Goldfinger
Go back and watch the USC game then watch the Clemson game. Against USC, you see a cool, young QB with a little bit of swagger that shows no fear and is making plays. In the Clemson game, you see a QB with little confidence, unable to make a decision with a deer in the headlights look. It's sad really. The swagger has been coached and beaten out of him. Really, sometimes Saban and staff take the ball safety commandment to an unhealthy extreme. I'm scared to death they will do that with Tua and turn the young gunslinger into a tentative early season Jake Coker.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:08 pm to phil4bama
Tua doesn’t give a frick. He will apologize to Saban but trusts his own ability.Notice how he seems to actually step it up after Saban gets pissed at him.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:26 pm to phil4bama
quote:I don't think this is accurate at all. I think it was just a mismatch between hurts ability and what daboll knows how to run. Hurts was a ton peg trying to fit into a square hole. And by the end of the season teams had figured out exactly how to defend us, plus we started playing really good defenses in November. We have no idea really what locksley is going to call like, but I would be shocked if you could ever get the swagger out of tua in a million years. That game just has "it". Plus there is no reason to try to reel him in, he makes his throws
The swagger has been coached and beaten out of him. Really, sometimes Saban and staff take the ball safety commandment to an unhealthy extreme. I'm scared to death they will do that with Tua and turn the young gunslinger into a tentative early season Jake Coker.
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:44 pm to narddogg81
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We have no idea really what locksley is going to call like,
Well, my understanding is that Locksley was the one responsible for drawing up plays that Hurts could execute, because Daboll had so little experience with RPO and true dual threat QBs.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 3:17 am to Eli Goldfinger
I thought Jalen played well in the first half of that game. Played like shite in the second half and the play calling was an abortion.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:32 am to Eli Goldfinger
Understandably, we all knew after a few games Jalen just wasn't going to fit in Brian Daboll's offense. Some say his play calling was limited because Jalen was a bad passer, but I think Daboll deserves a fair amount of criticism too. For example, against Georgia in the first half, if it's 3rd and short, and you go 5 wide with a DT QB that doesn't normally get the ball out quickly against the press, isn't it kind of expected that it's going to be a run? Low and behold, guards pull, UGA essentially loads the box, and Jalen is stopped in the backfield. Instead of simply giving the ball to one our RB, let's run Jalen up the middle.
The Auburn game was even more sickening to watch. 18 carries for Hurts, while the rest of the RB's get at most 6 carries each. Even worse, they were killing Auburn on the ground, and Daboll completely abandons it.
The Auburn game was even more sickening to watch. 18 carries for Hurts, while the rest of the RB's get at most 6 carries each. Even worse, they were killing Auburn on the ground, and Daboll completely abandons it.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 7:53 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:33 am to Eli Goldfinger
We played it way too safe in the 9-6 L7U loss so CNS unleashed AJ and Norwood in the 21-0 natty.
If the D hadn't been so dominant this year vs CU Tua probably would have played in the second half. The D scored one TD and set-up another.
The turnover on the first snap of the second half gave CU half their points.
If the D hadn't been so dominant this year vs CU Tua probably would have played in the second half. The D scored one TD and set-up another.
The turnover on the first snap of the second half gave CU half their points.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:51 am to Crimson Wraith
The body language of Calvin Ridley for the most part of these last two years spoke volumes about the failure of the the Bama passing game.
Frustration on his part I would assume other receivers. It is still hard to believe they won the NC. Salute to all of staff and players.
Frustration on his part I would assume other receivers. It is still hard to believe they won the NC. Salute to all of staff and players.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:10 am to Eli Goldfinger
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The offense was terrible...just terrible.
The Bama offense under Hurts has been absolutely miserable in post-season play.
Florida SEC title game in 16? Horrible.
Washington Peach Bowl? Horrible.
Clemson title game? Horrible.
Clemson Sugar Bowl? Horrible.
Georgia first half? Horrible.
And not just slightly bad, we're talking go 3 and out every possession bad.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:54 am to Eli Goldfinger
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I can’t figure out how Hurts got progressively worse every game since he first played against USC. I actually feel bad for him because he was left in games to struggle despite having lost all of his confidence.
I don't agree with this over the course of his first year. I do think he got worse this past year, lost all confidence and I think a large part of that was Daboll not knowing how to handle him at all.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 8:57 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:55 am to narddogg81
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quote:The swagger has been coached and beaten out of him. Really, sometimes Saban and staff take the ball safety commandment to an unhealthy extreme. I'm scared to death they will do that with Tua and turn the young gunslinger into a tentative early season Jake Coker.I don't think this is accurate at all. I think it was just a mismatch between hurts ability and what daboll knows how to run. Hurts was a ton peg trying to fit into a square hole. And by the end of the season teams had figured out exactly how to defend us, plus we started playing really good defenses in November. We have no idea really what locksley is going to call like, but I would be shocked if you could ever get the swagger out of tua in a million years. That game just has "it". Plus there is no reason to try to reel him in, he makes his throws
All of this - a full year of running a system which doesn't highlight your strengths will knock the swagger out of any player.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:08 am to Sneaky__Sally
#2 doesn't have the confidence in himself to make the throw when it's time to let it go. It makes no difference who the OC is nor QB coach. This is a personal issue and it will never change. The better teams Bama played knew his limitations as well as Nick did thus they schemed to take away the few things he/we did very well. The rest of the teams did have the talent to stop Bama regardless. Dead horse just ahead. I still hope #2 stays and is the backup QB with getting better everyday part of his plan. You better have 2 guys that can play at QB.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:17 am to Sneaky__Sally
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I don't agree with this over the course of his first year. I do think he got worse this past year, lost all confidence and I think a large part of that was Daboll not knowing how to handle him at all.
Outside of a big game against State, he was pretty fricking terrible from the LSU game onwards last season. Especially in postseason play.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:22 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
Saban does preach ball protection, because statistically turnover margin is probably the one stat that is the most accurate predictor for wins and losses. It's a huge deal. But, Saban doesn't teach a guy to never throw the ball unless he's so open nobody is 10 yards around him. That's Jalen taking it to the extreme himself. AJ never had hard time slinging it down the field. Neither did Sims or Coker. This isn't a Saban problem, it's a Jalen problem. He just doesn't see the field well, or process information quickly enough to be a QB at this level.
For his sake, I hope he'll consider a move to another position while also maybe having a QB package in our system. Maybe short-yardage or goal-line type packages. Tua is our QB now, period. Saban messes with that, he'll have a mutiny on his hands with team and fans. We've seen the difference, there's no going back now.
For his sake, I hope he'll consider a move to another position while also maybe having a QB package in our system. Maybe short-yardage or goal-line type packages. Tua is our QB now, period. Saban messes with that, he'll have a mutiny on his hands with team and fans. We've seen the difference, there's no going back now.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:29 am to phil4bama
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Go back and watch the USC game then watch the Clemson game. Against USC, you see a cool, young QB with a little bit of swagger that shows no fear and is making plays. In the Clemson game, you see a QB with little confidence, unable to make a decision with a deer in the headlights look. It's sad really.
USC was his 1st game, and USC had no video on him to prepare, they had no idea his strengths & weaknesses.
When video started coming out from games, and it was easy to see that he can’t throw a football, good defenses had no problem stopping him.
As time went on, it was obvious he was just a shitty QB who got saved by our Great D & Running Game. Sure, he went 24-2, that’s easy to do when you have a 5-Star surrounding you at each position, and your defense gets you a ‘non offensive TOUCHDOWN’ like 12 games in a row.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:39 am to JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
He seemed to have a whole lote more confidence last year. I'm not saying that without Daboll Hurts would have been a heisman winner or even a very good / elite qb, as he has always been a mediocre passer. Daboll just didn't seem to have the ability to highlight his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses based on my observation.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:41 am to Robot Santa
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I don't agree with this over the course of his first year. I do think he got worse this past year, lost all confidence and I think a large part of that was Daboll not knowing how to handle him at all.
Outside of a big game against State, he was pretty fricking terrible from the LSU game onwards last season. Especially in postseason play.
No doubt, definitely regressed and lost confidence to my eyes. Hopefully new system, new dynamic at the position will breathe some fresh life into Hurts.
ETA: I think there is a line in the middle and that in the right system Hurts can be generally "serviceable" in the college game if necessary. He has bad mechanics and all but is a freak athlete IMO, I felt going into this season that unless he showed some big step forward this year that Tua would likely win the job this coming offseason - but Daboll and Hurts just didn't work at all.
Hurts is the same guy that put up like 3500 total yards in his Freshman year. While its easy to say that anybody could have done that with the talent we had - there were multiple other highly rated qb's with more time in the system that apparently were not as capable.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 9:51 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:45 am to saban n bear
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AJ never had hard time slinging it down the field. Neither did Sims or Coker. This isn't a Saban problem, it's a Jalen problem. He just doesn't see the field well, or process information quickly enough to be a QB at this level.
I can’t say it much better than that.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:50 am to saban n bear
Its a confidence thing for sure, speed reading the D, and the fact that he isn't very accurate likely plays into it.
Coker and AJ had the confidence behind their throws while GMAC and Hurts didn't it seems like.
Hurts running ability can save him to be serviceable in a system designed for that play IMO. But all of this is just general discussion at this point.
Coker and AJ had the confidence behind their throws while GMAC and Hurts didn't it seems like.
Hurts running ability can save him to be serviceable in a system designed for that play IMO. But all of this is just general discussion at this point.
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