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I’ve been team Tua, but...
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:23 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:23 am
...he has some growing to do.
He has an amazing arm and is incredibly accurate, and may well end up the best to ever play at Bama.
However, he forces the ball a bit too much (exactly opposite to Jalen who holds it too long) and throws his receivers into situations where they get clobbered by DBs.
I still don’t know how Saban will manage to keep both...unless Jalen leaves after the 18 season.
He has an amazing arm and is incredibly accurate, and may well end up the best to ever play at Bama.
However, he forces the ball a bit too much (exactly opposite to Jalen who holds it too long) and throws his receivers into situations where they get clobbered by DBs.
I still don’t know how Saban will manage to keep both...unless Jalen leaves after the 18 season.
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Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:35 am to Eli Goldfinger
Fortunately for us they both love the University and both are willing to do their part no matter what that part may be. I love them both, I wish we could play two qbs at the same time. If we could, I think it would compliment the 6 rbs and 8 wrs that I also wish could play at the same time. 
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:51 am to Gj4Bama
I think Tagovailoa is the better all around qb, and comments like this don't make me think he'll be around if it doesn't work out here for him. I wouldn't blame him. He's too good to sit on the bench for 3 years.
“It gets me excited that Coach Saban does stick with his claim that the best will play in every situation,” Tagovailoa said...“In a year, in a perfect world I still believe I’ll be at Alabama if everything works out the right way.”
USA Today
edit: Course, the Hurts or Tagovailoa topic has been beaten to death this season, but this thread and the other will probably go on for a few days.
“It gets me excited that Coach Saban does stick with his claim that the best will play in every situation,” Tagovailoa said...“In a year, in a perfect world I still believe I’ll be at Alabama if everything works out the right way.”
USA Today
edit: Course, the Hurts or Tagovailoa topic has been beaten to death this season, but this thread and the other will probably go on for a few days.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 7:54 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 7:53 am to Gj4Bama
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I wish we could play two qbs at the same time.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:15 am to Eli Goldfinger
I honestly believe there's a way to work different packages into the offense with him in. He's a good enough runner to keep a defense from forgoing the run. The passes he makes to the TEs, backs out of the backfield, and endzone fades are just too effective to not utilize against good opponents.
I do agree that he's gonna get a receiver killed over the middle if he's not careful.
I do agree that he's gonna get a receiver killed over the middle if he's not careful.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:20 am to Eli Goldfinger
Are we recruiting Taulia too? If so that gives me hope that Tua will stay.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:26 am to mistaken4193
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Are we recruiting Taulia too? If so that gives me hope that Tua will stay.
I don't think Tua would stay just because we are recruiting his brother, but conversely, I don't think the kid brother would come to UA if Tua transferred.
Reports are that he is very good as well. It would suck to see him at Auburn or another SEC program.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 8:58 am to Eli Goldfinger
We will find out a lot about our passing game Saturday. On intermediate and long plays Hurts waits until his guy is wide open before he pulls the trigger. If not he takes off or throws it away. There have only been less than a handful of plays this year that he tried to throw into decent coverage. This doesn't cut it against elite defenses. I am afraid that we are gonna see a FSU type of performance of less than 100 yds through the air. Our best chance at winning is to run the ball with success and play great defense.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 9:47 am to Huddie Leadbetter
I don't understand why Tua just cant be a (dress out red-shirt)as a SO next year.Which would then separate he and jalen.
He would dress out if needed(injury). But let the in coming freshman duplicate what he did this year.
Especially if it's a Emory Jones or maybe 5* QB Matt Corral. Again why cant he simply red- shirt next year.
I do think the kid Tua is the real deal and think our offensive weapons are/could and
will be more explosive under him.
But jalen's running ability last year kept drives alive and with what his dual threat ability,
adds to the running game is the reason why he would continue to start.
The only reason why he's run less this year is we dont want to lose that option due to injury
and our new OC is developing him as a better down field passer.
I think jalens legs are gonna be the difference in the Iron Bowl and playoffs.
What we have done is prepared TUA to allow jalen to play worry free of injury at crunch time for the LSU,AU & playoffs.
If he TUA decides to stay until he the man after Jalen. I think the only risk he's taking is the current young WR's core ,
will all be jr's jalens SR yr and we could possibly have two leave early.
Not saying Tyrel Shavers,Xavier Williams and say Copeland if he flips wont be just as good.
But Ruggs,Judey and Smith will wreck shite up over the next two years as Jalens main targets.
We have a great situation at QB and Emory Jones must be very special in the eyes of the staff or Corral off the field antics.
Must be the reasons we wont just take his commit after the DE-comit from fla.
That kid Corral may end up at UCLA,USC.But if I am MIAMI, FSU,LSU or Mich I would be all over him trying to get an visit.
He would dress out if needed(injury). But let the in coming freshman duplicate what he did this year.
Especially if it's a Emory Jones or maybe 5* QB Matt Corral. Again why cant he simply red- shirt next year.
I do think the kid Tua is the real deal and think our offensive weapons are/could and
will be more explosive under him.
But jalen's running ability last year kept drives alive and with what his dual threat ability,
adds to the running game is the reason why he would continue to start.
The only reason why he's run less this year is we dont want to lose that option due to injury
and our new OC is developing him as a better down field passer.
I think jalens legs are gonna be the difference in the Iron Bowl and playoffs.
What we have done is prepared TUA to allow jalen to play worry free of injury at crunch time for the LSU,AU & playoffs.
If he TUA decides to stay until he the man after Jalen. I think the only risk he's taking is the current young WR's core ,
will all be jr's jalens SR yr and we could possibly have two leave early.
Not saying Tyrel Shavers,Xavier Williams and say Copeland if he flips wont be just as good.
But Ruggs,Judey and Smith will wreck shite up over the next two years as Jalens main targets.
We have a great situation at QB and Emory Jones must be very special in the eyes of the staff or Corral off the field antics.
Must be the reasons we wont just take his commit after the DE-comit from fla.
That kid Corral may end up at UCLA,USC.But if I am MIAMI, FSU,LSU or Mich I would be all over him trying to get an visit.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 10:33 am to Commander Data
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On intermediate and long plays Hurts waits until his guy is wide open before he pulls the trigger. If not he takes off or throws it away. There have only been less than a handful of plays this year that he tried to throw into decent coverage.
Considering no quarterback since Saban has been there has done what you are describing I'd say he is most likely coached to do just that. Remember Saban is a defensive coach and is of the school of thought of end every drive with a kick. After watching his teams here for 11 years now it's kinda obvious he doesn't want his QB's taking unnecessary risks. Tua gets by with it because he is the backup in garbage time.
Also on the whole which QB is better argument, which I refuse to entertain, remember this. There is a LOT more to playing quarterback than making throws. Pre snap reads, audibles, adjustments in protections, routes, etc. are all part of a QB's job once the coaches feel comfortable enough to let him do so. That's the biggest difference between a true freshman and a kid with 20+ starts under his belt. Last year it's pretty obvious Jalen was limited in doing such (Coach Saban has even admitted so)and it severely limited the offense as a result. All Tua is doing is running the called play and getting live action reps at this point.
Throwing the ball is but a small part of a QB's job, there is much more that the average fan would never notice that he is responsible for. But since the passes are the obvious thing Joe fan sees that's all he bases his opinion on.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 10:42 am to Bama Shadow
Hurts is no way good at reading defenses before or after the snap, and he's so bad at seeing the entire field that the coaches have changed some of the routes so he doesn't have to read both sides of the field. Don't believe me? Then believe St. Nick Saban
Scroll down to "Second segment"
edit: By the way, I didn't give you the downvote. I don't care that somebody did, but since I responded to your comment I figured you'd think it was me.
Scroll down to "Second segment"
edit: By the way, I didn't give you the downvote. I don't care that somebody did, but since I responded to your comment I figured you'd think it was me.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 10:55 am to Huddie Leadbetter
lol
Posted on 11/19/17 at 10:57 am to Fleurs
Motion to put a moratorium on any Tua/Jalen threads from this point forward.
It's Top 10 teams from here on out with the State, Conference and National Title on the line. Time to table this stuff until mid January.
It's Top 10 teams from here on out with the State, Conference and National Title on the line. Time to table this stuff until mid January.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 11:10 am to Huddie Leadbetter
First I couldn't care less about a down vote. Second, I admit I didn't click your link, but I'd be willing to bet there are very few college QBs who can read the entire field in the 2 seconds they have to make a decision. That's just good coaching to play to your player's strength. I'm not saying Hurts is infallible, I'm merely pointing out that I'd bet a dollar a lot of what some perceive as his shortcomings are more than likely him doing what he is coached to do.
Also you have to consider when you have the better team, which Alabama is 99% of the time, you minimize risks. You do your best not to turn the ball over and never beat yourself. Saban coaches that way, Bryant did too. And I'd say those two guys know more about how to win a football game than every member of this board combined. On the contrary, when you're the underdog, you have to take more risks to give yourself a chance to beat a team like Alabama.
Again I'm not going to try to say who is better, as I don't get to watch them every day. I also have no clue how each is able to successfully put the team is the best position to succeed. Being a dumb Joe fan I leave decisions like that to the ones who get paid the big bucks. And considering Saban's record I'd have to be one dumb sonofabitch to think I could possibly know better than he does.
Edited to fix paragraphs I made on my phone originally.
Also you have to consider when you have the better team, which Alabama is 99% of the time, you minimize risks. You do your best not to turn the ball over and never beat yourself. Saban coaches that way, Bryant did too. And I'd say those two guys know more about how to win a football game than every member of this board combined. On the contrary, when you're the underdog, you have to take more risks to give yourself a chance to beat a team like Alabama.
Again I'm not going to try to say who is better, as I don't get to watch them every day. I also have no clue how each is able to successfully put the team is the best position to succeed. Being a dumb Joe fan I leave decisions like that to the ones who get paid the big bucks. And considering Saban's record I'd have to be one dumb sonofabitch to think I could possibly know better than he does.
Edited to fix paragraphs I made on my phone originally.
This post was edited on 11/20/17 at 9:41 am
Posted on 11/19/17 at 11:15 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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he's so bad at seeing the entire field that the coaches have changed some of the routes so he doesn't have to read both sides of the field.
"Doesn't always" have to read the entire field. As in there are still plays where he does read the entire field. Which is normal. Some offenses practically never have full field reads. Baylor was known for not even having the backside receivers run routes much of the time and they had a couple qbs drafted high.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 11:30 am to imraged
Tua sits on the bench most of the time, gets fewer reps in practice, and attempts all the throws. Of course he will make more mistakes.
Hurts gets thousands of reps and all the attention, and his game is carefully choreographed to minimize turnovers. And everyone knows he has less potential as a passer.
But I am happy .:. happy to let the next few games decide and I am 1000 percent in the Jalen camp if we beat Auburn, beat Georgia, and win the national title. And I will wish Tua well at his new school and look forward to Jalens next two years.
And if we don’t? Then I’m for a qb competition. We will then have enough information to demonstrate that Jalen’s style and limitations are good enough to win most games, but not good enough to climb the summit.
And of course, the hateful attacks will commence. But everyone will shut up the minute we drop a game. Then the tables will turn and all but the most rabid anti Tua people will be totally ready for the open qb competition that this situation demands.
Jalen hasn’t earned a lifetime pass in my book. His record is 0-1 in the biggest games. Life is a competition. Every morning starts a new competition. Good or bad, there is no end to it. That applies to Jalen just like everyone else.
Hurts gets thousands of reps and all the attention, and his game is carefully choreographed to minimize turnovers. And everyone knows he has less potential as a passer.
But I am happy .:. happy to let the next few games decide and I am 1000 percent in the Jalen camp if we beat Auburn, beat Georgia, and win the national title. And I will wish Tua well at his new school and look forward to Jalens next two years.
And if we don’t? Then I’m for a qb competition. We will then have enough information to demonstrate that Jalen’s style and limitations are good enough to win most games, but not good enough to climb the summit.
And of course, the hateful attacks will commence. But everyone will shut up the minute we drop a game. Then the tables will turn and all but the most rabid anti Tua people will be totally ready for the open qb competition that this situation demands.
Jalen hasn’t earned a lifetime pass in my book. His record is 0-1 in the biggest games. Life is a competition. Every morning starts a new competition. Good or bad, there is no end to it. That applies to Jalen just like everyone else.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:31 pm to River_City_Tider
Like clockwork.
You guys never get tired of this mess.
Doesn't matter what he does next week. You will wait a day or so afterward then repeat this moronic loop.
You guys never get tired of this mess.
Doesn't matter what he does next week. You will wait a day or so afterward then repeat this moronic loop.
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:37 pm to River_City_Tider
So jalen has to win out to make you anti jalen folks get on board. 
It's funny because it's so pitiful
Edit.Even when he wins out, by next fall you all are going to start up again.
It's funny because it's so pitiful
Edit.Even when he wins out, by next fall you all are going to start up again.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 11/19/17 at 12:45 pm to Bamadoc
If “getting on board” means just giving him the job for the next two years while our best qb prospect in history transfers or languishes on the bench, then yes, it would take that.
We lost last year remember.
I mean, what do you people want? The core of this season is in front of us, not behind us. The best teams have yet to be played. Why would we all declare how great Jalen is the week before he has to begin proving just how good he is?
One thread starter declares Hurts starter for life. “Starter for life”. Now your implying I am a disloyal fan for not going along with the coronation THE WEEK BEFORE we face the first real competition of the year.
We lost last year remember.
I mean, what do you people want? The core of this season is in front of us, not behind us. The best teams have yet to be played. Why would we all declare how great Jalen is the week before he has to begin proving just how good he is?
One thread starter declares Hurts starter for life. “Starter for life”. Now your implying I am a disloyal fan for not going along with the coronation THE WEEK BEFORE we face the first real competition of the year.
This post was edited on 11/19/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 11/19/17 at 1:25 pm to River_City_Tider
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We lost last year remember.
Let me.guess you blame Jalen ? Not the OC for calling 100 pass plays and no runs with a 1,000 yard back? Or our defense not winning a single 50/50 ball? Or a 15 yard unsportsmanlike penalty or a pass interference penalty?
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